[gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

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[gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby gregoryuconn » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:36 am

John lies to Mary to avoid getting in trouble. Mary immediately sees through the lie, but nonetheless does not punish John. Why?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby Earnest » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:22 am

John = HAM? An animal? HCM?
Is the lie about: not having done something when instead he had? Omitting something? Did John write ssomething h did not know?
Is the lie a "white lie"? Is the lie benefical for John/Mary (e.g. a surpise birthday?)? Did John lie directly to Mary? To someone else? To peopl in general (e.g. h wrote on his instagam profile that h had a qualification he did not have in reality) Did Mary fake about being fallen into John's lie?

Relationship btwen John and Mary rlvant? Frieends? Mother and son? Strangers? Collegues? Wife and husband?

Is the fist time that John lies? Did Maary avoid to punish John thaat time because sshe wanted to wait for something in ode to punish him? (e.g. catch him in the act of doing something)

is advetising relevant? Had Mary "the power" to punish John? Would the punishment be of the type: "go into you room"/"you cannot use the phone anymore"... or something moe serioous (e.g. divorcing, denouncing...)

WAAG (iss indeed verry wild thiss time): is Mary, holy Mary and John a catolic person who confess himself?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:55 am

Is her punishing him the trouble he lies to avoid? Some other trouble with her? Does he know she sees through the lie? Does she not punish him so that he won't know she saw through the lie?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby gregoryuconn » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:22 pm

John = HAM? An animal? HCM? This
Is the lie about: not having done something when instead he had? No! Omitting something? Did John write ssomething h did not know? No to these as well.
Is the lie a "white lie"? Is the lie benefical for John/Mary (e.g. a surpise birthday?)? Did John lie directly to Mary? This, no to others in this paragraph To someone else? To peopl in general (e.g. h wrote on his instagam profile that h had a qualification he did not have in reality) Did Mary fake about being fallen into John's lie?

Relationship btwen John and Mary rlvant? for svv of relationship Frieends? Mother and son? Strangers? Collegues? Wife and husband? Not these

Is the fist time that John lies? First relevant time anyway Did Maary avoid to punish John thaat time because sshe wanted to wait for something in ode to punish him? (e.g. catch him in the act of doing something) No

is advetising relevant? No Had Mary "the power" to punish John? Probably not directly, mainly relevant for context. Would the punishment be of the type: "go into you room"/"you cannot use the phone anymore"... or something moe serioous (e.g. divorcing, denouncing...) Not as serious as the punishments you consider serious

WAAG (iss indeed verry wild thiss time): is Mary, holy Mary and John a catolic person who confess himself? No, lol

Is her punishing him the trouble he lies to avoid? Yes Some other trouble with her? No Does he know she sees through the lie? He probably figured she might, and once she didn't punish him, it would have become clear in any case. Does she not punish him so that he won't know she saw through the lie? No
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby Tiger » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:46 am

Mary does not punish John because
-she understands why he lied?
-believes John was justified in lying?
-she is relieved/happy that he lied?

Did John lie about having done something that Mary would prefer he hadn't done?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby gregoryuconn » Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:26 am

Mary does not punish John because
-she understands why he lied? She likely would have been able to put two and two together and figure out why, but this isn't the main reason.
-believes John was justified in lying? No
-she is relieved/happy that he lied? Again, she probably was but this is not the main reason

Did John lie about having done something that Mary would prefer he hadn't done? No.
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby Tiger » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:08 pm

Is John a passenger in a vehicle? Is he a a ticket holder for a show/flight/event?

Is it relevant how Mary is able to see through John's lie? (e.g. prior knowledge of facts, reading body language or micro-expressions, John's reputation, polygraph)
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby gregoryuconn » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:37 pm

Is John a passenger in a vehicle? Is he a a ticket holder for a show/flight/event? No to all

Is it relevant how Mary is able to see through John's lie? (e.g. prior knowledge of facts This is relevant but even if she didn't have this she still would be able to tell he was lying. Explore this. , reading body language or micro-expressions, John's reputation, polygraph)
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby Tiger » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:13 am

Does Mary not punish John because:
-he is facing other consequences already?
-she does not want to kick him while he's down?
-she would face a similar punishment?

Is Mary a client of John's?

Does Mary have/see evidence of John having lied?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby Earnest » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:33 am

So was Mary John's teacher?
Did John lie in a way that he knew he would have been discovered? Did he relevantly lie in front of other people? Did he blame someone else? Something else? Did he want someone to laugh? Mary?
Is food relevant (e.g. he ate a piece of a cake and had crumbs on his lips/clothes)? Technology? Theater? Toys? Other children? Birthday party?
Did John eventually know that Mary understood that he lied? If so, did he believe that the lie saved him directly (i.e. because he believed that Mary did not understand that he was lying)?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun May 16, 2021 5:42 pm

WAG: Can Mary read minds?

Is Mary a medical professional? Is John a patient?

Is the lie about something visible? For example something he thinks Mary cannot see but she can (because of a mirror behind him or something)?

You imply that John would have known Mary knew he lied because she didn't punish him. Was the punishment fixed? Known to John? Related to the offense in some way?
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby gregoryuconn » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:07 pm

Does Mary not punish John because:
-he is facing other consequences already?
-she does not want to kick him while he's down?
-she would face a similar punishment? No to all

Is Mary a client of John's? No

Does Mary have/see evidence of John having lied? No direct evidence, but see next set of questions.

So was Mary John's teacher? Yes, slight ish
Did John lie in a way that he knew he would have been discovered? Yes, it would have been obvious Did he relevantly lie in front of other people? You can assume others besides him and Mary were there but it's mainly relevant for context. Did he blame someone else? No, slight ish Something else? No Did he want someone to laugh? Mary? No to both
Is food relevant (e.g. he ate a piece of a cake and had crumbs on his lips/clothes)? Technology? Theater? Toys? Other children? Birthday party? No to all
Did John eventually know that Mary understood that he lied? Yes, explore If so, did he believe that the lie saved him directly Yes[ (i.e. because he believed that Mary did not understand that he was lying)? But definitely not for this reason.

WAG: Can Mary read minds? No, haha

Is Mary a medical professional? She's a teacher, with the ish as noted above Is John a patient? No[b]

Is the lie about something visible? For example something he thinks Mary cannot see but she can (because of a mirror behind him or something)? [b]No to these


You imply that John would have known Mary knew he lied because she didn't punish him. Was the punishment fixed? Known to John? Related to the offense in some way? Likely no to all, but there's an underlying FA here.
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Re: [gregoryuconn] Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

Postby Sundowner » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm

Is the lie about having done (or doing) something he actually did not do? Is Mary a pre-school teacher? Did she ask him whether he's sleeping? to which John answered a bold "Yes"?
otherwise: were other people relevantly present when John was lying? Was Mary happy about John's lie? because the truth would have created for John (or her?) an unpleasant situation?
Would the truth involve that also Mary did something wrong? like not acting consistently? contradicting herself? treating children differently in an unfair way?
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