[Sarisberie] Neat

[Sarisberie2]

There is a book, a phrase and a number. What are they?

[GalFisk]

"There": a location? Existence in general terms? Inside a fictional setting? Different for different items? Is the phrase in the book? Is the number in the book? Is the number an actual written or displayed number? Or something like the number of items?

[Sarisberie2]

"There": a location? no Existence in general terms? yes Inside a fictional setting? no Different for different items? no Is the phrase in the book? yes Is the number in the book? yope Is the number an actual written or displayed number? no Or something like the number of items? yes

[GalFisk]

A book: one copy of a book? Copies of a specific book? A generic book? A notebook? A novel? Is the phrase in the beginning fo the book? Middle? End? On the cover? Relevant? Is it "Don't panic" in large friendly letters? Is the number 42? Is the number the number of pages in the book? The number of copies of the book?

[Sarisberie2]

A book: one copy of a book? Copies of a specific book? this A generic book? A notebook? A novel? Is the phrase in the beginning fo the book? Middle? End? assume many places On the cover? no Relevant? no Is it "Don't panic" in large friendly letters? no Is the number 42? no Is the number the number of pages in the book? no The number of copies of the book? no

[Sundowner64]

Does the number say how often the phrase occurs in the book?
Is the book's content printed? hand written? drawn? computer-generated?
Are there many copies of this book? are they for sale?
Do you own a copy of this book? did you write it?
Are all copies of this book identical? or are there different editions?
Does the book contain text? in English? in any other living language?
Is the puzzle title relevant? Is there something neat in the book? or NEAT?

[Sarisberie2]

Does the number say how often the phrase occurs in the book? yes
Is the book's content printed? usually hand written? rarely sometimes illustrated irrel computer-generated? irrel
Are there many copies of this book? yes are they for sale? yes
Do you own a copy of this book? yes did you write it? no
Are all copies of this book identical? no or are there different editions? yes
Does the book contain text? yes in English? yes in any other living language? yes
Is the puzzle title relevant? no Is there something neat in the book? yes or NEAT? no

[GalFisk]

Do different editions have a different number of occurrences of this phrase? Is finding the number a part of the normal reading experience? A part of some non-normal reading experience? Some sort of treasure hunt? Or puzzle? Or competition? Is the book a dictionary? A book of facts? Stories? Songs?

[Sarisberie2]

Do different editions have a different number of occurrences of this phrase? unlikely, assume no Is finding the number a part of the normal reading experience? yes A part of some non-normal reading experience? Idkwum, possibly Some sort of treasure hunt? Or puzzle? Or competition? Is the book a dictionary? no to all A book of facts? Stories? Songs? yes to these

[trebor2]

Is it an encyclopedia? Almanac? Guinness Book of Records? Another book of records? (As opposed to a vinyl recording of titles in literature, which would be a record of books.)

Is it a yearbook? Like a school yearbook? I was thinking it could be a religious book, but I'm assuming not based on your answer that it includes facts. Fair assumption?

Has the book been translated into many languages? Is it known across many countries? Across the globe? Was it originally written in English? In another European language? In a language from the Middle East? The rest of Asia? Oceania? Africa? An Indigenous language of the Americas? Klingon? Esperanto? Does each copy of the book contain text in multiple languages? Is it an instruction manual? A puzzle book?

Can the book be classified as fiction? Non-fiction? Self-help? Biography? Science? Sports? Travel? Reference/knowledge? Health? Comics/graphic novels? Poetry?

[Sarisberie2]

Is it an encyclopedia? Almanac? Guinness Book of Records? Another book of records? (As opposed to a vinyl recording of titles in literature, which would be a record of books.) No

Is it a yearbook? Like a school yearbook? I was thinking it could be a religious book, yes... but I'm assuming not based on your answer that it includes facts. ... but it does include some verified facts too Fair assumption?

Has the book been translated into many languages? yes Is it known across many countries? yes Across the globe? yes, although some countries don't have it Was it originally written in English? In another European language? In a language from the Middle East? yes The rest of Asia? Oceania? Africa? An Indigenous language of the Americas? Klingon? Esperanto? Does each copy of the book contain text in multiple languages? yope/reword Is it an instruction manual? no, although there are instructions in it A puzzle book? no

Can the book be classified as fiction? Non-fiction? both Self-help? arguably Biography? yes Science? Sports? Travel? Reference/knowledge? yes Health? Comics/graphic novels? Poetry? yes

[Sundowner64]

Is it the Bible?

[GalFisk]

By non-normal reading experience, I mean doing something which most readers won't do. Such as looking for misprints, clues to something that the book doesn't tell them to look for, easter eggs, acrostics etc. Do the books in every language have the phrase? The number?

[Sarisberie2]

Is it the Bible? yes

[Sarisberie2]

By non-normal reading experience, I mean doing something which most readers won't do. Such as looking for misprints, clues to something that the book doesn't tell them to look for, easter eggs, acrostics etc There are acrostics in the book, irrel. Do the books in every language have the phrase? yes The number? idk

[Sundowner64]

Is there a challenge or quest to find out how often a particular phrase occurs in the Bible? which is the most common phrase in the Bible?
a meme? a paradox? (like that phrases like "And the Lord says" or "Amen" actually do not occur that often)
Different editions relevant? Comparison of editions over the centuries? Did the frequency of occurence for some phrases change over time, due to different interpretation?
Mistranslated/misinterpreted phrases relevant?
One particular phrase?

[Sarisberie2]

Is there a challenge or quest to find out how often a particular phrase occurs in the Bible? yes, within this puzzle, but also plenty of people in general have counted which is the most common phrase in the Bible? Yes
a meme? there's an element of this, yes a paradox? (like that phrases like "And the Lord says" or "Amen" actually do not occur that often) no & irrel
Different editions relevant? Comparison of editions over the centuries? Did the frequency of occurence for some phrases change over time, No, I don't think so due to different interpretation? The phrase is simple and easy to understand
Mistranslated/misinterpreted phrases relevant? no
One particular phrase? Yes/Yope

[Sundowner64]

So, the book is the Bible, the phrase is the most common phrase in the Bible, and the number is how often it occurs, right?
What else do we have to find out?

[Sarisberie2]

So, the book is the Bible, the phrase is the most common phrase in the Bible, and the number is how often it occurs, right? yes to all
What else do we have to find out? What the phrase is - bearing in mind the yope in your last post - and what the number is

[GalFisk]

Is it a single phrase? Close variations? Is it in the old testament? New? Does it involve: God? Jesus? A saint? A person? A people? Humans in general? Worship? Rites? Dos? Don'ts? Church? Song?

[Sarisberie2]

Is it a single phrase? Close variations? yes, two phrases with the same meaning Is it in the old testament? New? both Does it involve: God? Jesus? A saint? A person? A people? Humans in general? Worship? Rites? all of these Dos? no Don'ts? yes Church? in the past, yes; in the present, seldom. Song? I can think of one example, there are probably more

[GalFisk]

Are the don'ts related to: food? Other believers? Nonbelievers? Items? Animals? Laws?
Is the phrase more than 10 words long? Do people say it out loud? Think about it? Say it to one another?

[Sarisberie2]

Are the don'ts related to: food? yes Other believers? yes Nonbelievers? yes Items? Animals? Laws? possibly; not sure without going through and checking
Is the phrase more than 10 words long? The two versions are 2 and 4 words respectively. Do people say it out loud? yes, and God/Jesus/Angels too. Think about it? yes Say it to one another? yes

[GalFisk]

Do they say it in connection with something? If so, before saying the thing? After? Is it a greeting? A blessing?

[Sundowner64]

Food laws relevant?
Does the phrase in a general sense relate to: Faith? Openness? Courage? Hope? Charity? Fairness? Respect? Love? Modesty? Truthfulness? Trust?

[Sarisberie2]

Do they say it in connection with something? yes If so, before saying the thing? After? before, during or after is possible Is it a greeting? not really, but it could be used when meeting A blessing? no

Food laws relevant? no
Does the phrase in a general sense relate to: Faith? yes Openness? Courage? yes Hope? Charity? Fairness? Respect? Love? Modesty? Truthfulness? Trust? yes

[GalFisk]

Is it said by people of any other faith? Of no faith? Is it attributed to a specific person? Or entity? To God? Is it a quote? Is it a wish? Such as "live long and prosper" or "may the Force be with you, always"? An encouragement? Do parents say it to their kids? Vice versa?

[Sarisberie2]

Is it said by people of any other faith? yes Of no faith? yes Is it attributed to a specific person? no Or entity? idk, irrel To God? God says it; you wouldn't say it to God Is it a quote? Is it a wish? no Such as "live long and prosper" or "may the Force be with you, always"? An encouragement? yes Do parents say it to their kids? yes Vice versa? possibly

[GalFisk]

Does it encourage some specific action? Emotion? Way of looking at things? Faith? If so, in a higher power? In that things will turn out all right?

[Sarisberie2]

Does it encourage some specific action? yope Emotion? same yope Way of looking at things? same yope Faith? yes If so, in a higher power? yes In that things will turn out all right? yes

[GalFisk]

Does it encourage avoiding some specific action? Or emotion? Or way of looking at things? Despair relevant? Hope? Is it said during bad times? Good times? If a friend won the lottery, could I say this to them? If they were getting a divorce?

[Sundowner64]

"Don't be afraid"?

[Sarisberie2]

Does it encourage avoiding some specific action? Or emotion? yes Or way of looking at things? yes Despair relevant? yes Hope? yes Is it said during bad times? yes Good times? unlikely If a friend won the lottery, could I say this to them? no If they were getting a divorce? yes

"Don't be afraid"? Yes indeed. Sometimes worded "Fear not".

So... The last thing is the number...?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is the number 666? 613? Numerology involved, such as the numeric qualities of the phrase or letters? (In English, it would be 79, if corelating each letter to its number in the alphabet).

[Sarisberie2]

Is the number 666? 613? Numerology involved, such as the numeric qualities of the phrase or letters? (In English, it would be 79, if corelating each letter to its number in the alphabet). no to all

[JenBurdoo1]

"Fear God, and Dread Nought?" "Fear not, for I bring tidings of great joy?"

Does the number relate to how many times the phrase appears? To how many people were present in the scene when it was spoken? To a number of relevant objects, sins, people, places, distance?"

Is there irony in this puzzle?

[Sundowner64]

Is the number in any way special? just by coincindence? does it equal some other famous number?
Is the exact number known at all? (given that there are several English editions) Is there a dispute about the exact number?
Did the number make its way through social media and internet? but was proved wrong in the end? very wrong?

[Sarisberie2]

"Fear God, and Dread Nought?" no "Fear not, for I bring tidings of great joy?" "Fear not" is one. There's another phrase which has the same meaning.

EDIT: other phrase is "Do not be afraid" as stated above

Does the number relate to how many times the phrase appears? yes, but could be coincidence To how many people were present in the scene when it was spoken? no To a number of relevant objects, yes sins, people, places, distance?" none of these

Is there irony in this puzzle? not afaik

Is the number in any way special? debatable... just by coincindence? could be does it equal some other famous number? yes
Is the exact number known at all? Yes (given that there are several English editions) Is there a dispute about the exact number? idk
Did the number make its way through social media and internet? but was proved wrong in the end? very wrong? I have no idea, sorry

[GalFisk]

Does it appear 666 times?

[Sarisberie2]

Does it appear 666 times?

No.

[Biograd1]

Is the other number (the one it is equal to) also famous/well known due to the Bible? to popular culture? to something in history? for its mathematical properties?

[Mother Gothel]

Is it the number 10?