[gregoryuconn] Happy Birthday Little Sis, Part II

[gregoryuconn]

As mentioned in my previous puzzle, my parents didn't tell anyone whether my sister would be a boy or a girl before she was born. Many of their friends used lateral thinking to try to figure it out anyway, but it didn't work. What did they do, and why didn't it work?

[Earnest]

but it didn't work = they thought the baby was a male? Can we assume that jewish and non jewish friends cannot talk one to the other?

Did they base their thinking on: your parents' behavior? On the C-section? On what your parents bought (e.g. your parents expected the baby to be a little bit overweight so that they bought sonething that was typically for baby males)? On the behavior of the jewish friends? On your parents' wishes? On something they saw?

Did they expect your parents to reveal the gender in case of a femal newborn?

Did they do something in order to discover it? E.g. questions to your parents? Assuming they knew you are jewish, do we need to assume that they were not able to replicate the reasonament of your jewish friends?

Little WAG --> your parents painted the room half in pink and half in blue to mislead. From the street people was only able to see the blue part, thinking about a male newborn

[gregoryuconn]

but it didn't work = they thought the baby was a male? No, they still didn't know one way or the other. Can we assume that jewish and non jewish friends cannot talk one to the other? Irrelevant.

Did they base their thinking on: your parents' behavior? No, FA. On the C-section? No, same FA. On what your parents bought (e.g. your parents expected the baby to be a little bit overweight so that they bought sonething that was typically for baby males) On the behavior of the jewish friends? On your parents' wishes? On something they saw? The answer to all of these is no, with the same FA.

Did they expect your parents to reveal the gender in case of a femal newborn? No.

Did they do something in order to discover it? Yes. E.g. questions to your parents? At one point, but this is only laterally relevant. Assuming they knew you are jewish, do we need to assume that they were not able to replicate the reasonament of your jewish friends? This mostly took place before anyone knew the date for the C-section,

Little WAG --> your parents painted the room half in pink and half in blue to mislead. From the street people was only able to see the blue part, thinking about a male newborn. No.

[Earnest]

To be sure, your parents' friends did know that your mother was pregnant or were able to guess it right? Did they relevantly ask her about the gender of the baby? Did your parents' friends have children as well? Relevant? Are you referring to a specific group of your parents' friends (e.g. 2 of them? 5 of them?...)? To all of them? Relevant?

Did they fail in what they did because of your parents? Because of impossibility to know an info? Because of physical constraints?

They did something relevantly = they asked for the name? They based on your parents'wishes/ on something your parents said in the past? On something related to: the calendar? To astrology? To anathomy (weight...)? To conversation? To the lack of something? To the presence of something? To an event?

[gregoryuconn]

To be sure, your parents' friends did know that your mother was pregnant or were able to guess it right? They knew. Did they relevantly ask her about the gender of the baby? They asked, and she wouldn't tell them. So they had to get creative. Did your parents' friends have children as well? Relevant? Irrelevant. Are you referring to a specific group of your parents' friends (e.g. 2 of them? 5 of them?...)? To all of them? Many of them, the specific number isn't relevant. Relevant?

Did they fail in what they did because of your parents? No. Because of impossibility to know an info? No. Because of physical constraints? for svv of physical.

They did something relevantly = they asked for the name? Yesish They based on your parents'wishes/ on something your parents said in the past? No On something related to: the calendar? To astrology? To anathomy (weight...)? To conversation? This, no to rest, but be careful FA. To the lack of something? To the presence of something? To an event?

[Earnest]

Ok name and conversations are relevant...and ok bewaring of FA...

Did they ask about the name of the baby is a male or if the baby is a female? Did they ask for the name of the baby to test wheather your parents replied with a female name or a male name instictively? Did they list a series of names?
Did they know about your parents' favorite names? Are "no gender" names like Andrea relevant? Did they try to ask them separately? Did they try to make your father drunk and reveal it but your father was teetotaler (it is a joke)?

So the final aim of your parents' friends is to make your parents reveal the gender indirectly like giving the name of the baby or using pronouns (like she or he) revealing the gender right? Did they make a series of questions to them? If so to them alone? To them together? Relevant? Did your parents' friends use a pre determined strategy (like referring to the baby as if they know the gender so to see the reacrion of your parents that hopefully would have revealed the right gender?) Are ecographies relevant?

[gregoryuconn]

Ok name and conversations are relevant...and ok bewaring of FA...

Did they ask about the name of the baby is a male or if the baby is a female? As mentioned above, they asked my parents for the name and they wouldn't say (lest they give away the gender), so they had to get creative. Did they ask for the name of the baby to test wheather your parents replied with a female name or a male name instictively? Yes, but again, this didn't work, so they tried something more lateral. Did they list a series of names? No.
Did they know about your parents' favorite names? Assume no, but irrelevant. Are "no gender" names like Andrea relevant? No. Did they try to ask them separately? No. Did they try to make your father drunk and reveal it but your father was teetotaler (it is a joke)? Haha, no.

So the final aim of your parents' friends is to make your parents reveal the gender indirectly like giving the name of the baby or using pronouns (like she or he) revealing the gender right? Yope/noish Did they make a series of questions to them? Not for the relevant part, but before that and it didn't work. If so to them alone? To them together? See previous answer. Relevant? Did your parents' friends use a pre determined strategy (like referring to the baby as if they know the gender so to see the reacrion of your parents that hopefully would have revealed the right gender?) Not sure what you're asking here. Are ecographies relevant? No.

[Earnest]

Did they offer themselves to organize something for the baby?
To be sure...did your parents know the gender at that time? Did they want to know it? Can we assume this all happened within the first 3 months of pregnancy? Later? Earlier? Did you relevantly know the gender? Did they ask you wheather you preferred a brother or a sister?
Reusing the same objects/toys that you used relevant?

Final aim of the friends = discover some revelatory details about the baby directly? If so directly by your parents? Convince your parents to do something? Appeal to probability laws? Find out the due date? Expect a reaction by your parents to something? Relevant: Family trees (e.g. for the names)? Game of truth? Blood pressure? Cakes? Blue and pink colors? Traditions/uses? Technology? Internet? Displays? Pc? Phones? Tv? Other devices?

Did your friend do something in a relevant occasion (a dinner/ lunch / parties/ wedding/ religious celebrations/ others?)? All together? One per time?


Did they try out to convince some of their friends which were strangers for your parents to find out more about the baby? (I'm asking because they tried out with conversation as far as I've understood right?)

[gregoryuconn]

Did they offer themselves to organize something for the baby? Yes
To be sure...did your parents know the gender at that time? Yes Did they want to know it? Assume yes Can we assume this all happened within the first 3 months of pregnancy? Later? Earlier? Irrelevant Did you relevantly know the gender? YES! Did they ask you wheather you preferred a brother or a sister? No, but OTRT.
Reusing the same objects/toys that you used relevant? No.

Final aim of the friends = discover some revelatory details about the baby directly? Yes. If so directly by your parents? No, though they relevantly tried and failed at one point. Convince your parents to do something? No. Appeal to probability laws? Possibly for svv. Find out the due date? No, they already knew that but it's irrelevant. Expect a reaction by your parents to something? No. Relevant: Family trees (e.g. for the names)? Game of truth? Blood pressure? Cakes? Blue and pink colors? Traditions/uses? Technology? Internet? Displays? Pc? Phones? Tv? Other devices? No to all the rest of these.

Did your friend do something in a relevant occasion (a dinner/ lunch / parties/ wedding/ religious celebrations/ others?)? All together? One per time?


Did they try out to convince some of their friends which were strangers for your parents to find out more about the baby? (I'm asking because they tried out with conversation as far as I've understood right?) No, they tried to find it out themselves.

[Earnest]

Did they ask you to do something? If you were jealous of your toys? What name you would like to give to the baby? Something else related to the baby? Related to you and indirectly to the baby?

[gregoryuconn]

Did they ask you to do something? For svv of "do" but there's a better way to put it. If you were jealous of your toys? No. What name you would like to give to the baby? No, but OTRT. Something else related to the baby? Yes. ]Related to you and indirectly to the baby? No.

[Enjay]

Did they directly ask you whether the baby was a boy or a girl? Did they try and trick you into revealing it? Did they ask you to say something? Ask you a question? Did they hope you would say "he" or "she" and therefore give it away? Or that you would say "brother" or "sister"?

[gregoryuconn]

Did they directly ask you whether the baby was a boy or a girl? Yes, but they failed since my parents told me not to tell them. So..... Did they try and trick you into revealing it? Yes. Did they ask you to say something? See next answer. Ask you a question? Yes. Did they hope you would say "he" or "she" and therefore give it away? No. Or that you would say "brother" or "sister"? No.

[invisiblemimsy]

So, this question they asked you... were they looking for the actual answer, or a tell?
Did the question contain an anomaly which they hoped you would correct? Was it a trick question? Did you give an answer? Was your answer false? True? Misleading? Ambiguous? Both true and false? Neither true nor false?

Was the specific wording of their question important? Ditto your answer?

[Earnest]

Did they ask you about the bris? Is it relevant that you are a male (are you?)?
Family picture relevant? Did they want to organize a surprise? Baloons relevant? Room furnitures relevant? Is dividing the room with the newborn relevant (e.g. they asked you wheather you were ready to see your room changed...)?
Are your friends relevant? (E.g. they ask you if you were jealous in case your male friends would have liked your sister)
Did they ask you about your mum? About the ecography?

Did they want you to write down the name of the baby (e.g. they want to color a banner with "Welcome to the world + name"?)? To do something in general? Paint something? Give them a picture of the family? To chose a gift for you and your brother or sister? They ask you to do something for you and the newborn (so that if you the thing in an equal way it was a sign that the newborn would have been male, but if you differenciate, then the gender should have been the opposite)? Wc/toilette relevant?

Did they try to fool you with a stupid trick ?( e.g. they told you that your parents did not want you to tell them the gender nor the name of the baby but that you could reply with a yes or a no when they ask you whether it was a female or a male)

[gregoryuconn]

So, this question they asked you... were they looking for the actual answer, or a tell? The actual answer
Did the question contain an anomaly which they hoped you would correct? No. Was it a trick question? No. Did you give an answer? Yes. Was your answer false? True? Misleading? Ambiguous? Both true and false? Neither true nor false? I guess false, but be careful FA.

Was the specific wording of their question important? Ditto your answer? No to both.

Did they want you to write down the name of the baby (e.g. they want to color a banner with "Welcome to the world + name"?)? No, but.... To do something in general? No. Paint something? No. Give them a picture of the family? No. To chose a gift for you and your brother or sister? No. They ask you to do something for you and the newborn (so that if you the thing in an equal way it was a sign that the newborn would have been male, but if you differenciate, then the gender should have been the opposite)? No. Wc/toilette relevant? No.

Did they try to fool you with a stupid trick ?( e.g. they told you that your parents did not want you to tell them the gender nor the name of the baby but that you could reply with a yes or a no when they ask you whether it was a female or a male) Nothing like this.

[Earnest]

The no but... am I close when I say that they want to know the name? The entire name? The surname? The initial letters? Part of the name?

Symbols associated with gender relevant (e.g. hearts with girls...)? Bows relevant?

[jumpingjacks]

Relevant how old you actually were when they asked you? Were you very young? less than 10? Did they fail in their attempt because you misunderstood them? And so gave them an answer they were not expecting?

[gregoryuconn]

The no but... am I close when I say that they want to know the name? The entire name? The surname? The initial letters? Part of the name? They just asked me for the name. You're making this too complicated.

Symbols associated with gender relevant (e.g. hearts with girls...)? Bows relevant? No to both.

Relevant how old you actually were when they asked you? Yes, I was too. Relevant that I was very young, exact age not as much. Were you very young? less than 10? Did they fail in their attempt because you misunderstood them? No, I understood them fine. And so gave them an answer they were not expecting? But they weren't expecting the answer I gave them.

[jumpingjacks]

Did you know the baby's name? Did you think that the baby's name was something else? (eg how some kids think their parents' names are 'Mummy' and 'Daddy' - something along these lines?) Did you pronounce the baby's name incorrectly? Did you tell them the baby's name? Did you try to tell them? Were you aware that they were trying to find out the baby's gender by asking you for the name? Were you deliberately trying to thwart them? Or did you foil their plans in all innocence?

[Earnest]

Did you make a distinction wheather the baby was a male or a female? Did you give them a name that fits for both males and females? Did you give them a name at all? Did you tell them that the name was based on the gender of the baby? Is it relevant the specific question they asked to you?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did you say something like, "I want a girl/boy" rather than "it's a girl/boy"
Did you simply tell them the opposite?
Did you say something like, "It's a teddy"? or "It's Thomas the Tank Engine"?

[gregoryuconn]

Did you know the baby's name? Yes. Did you think that the baby's name was something else? (eg how some kids think their parents' names are 'Mummy' and 'Daddy' - something along these lines?) No. Did you pronounce the baby's name incorrectly? YES! Care to finish this off, anyone> Did you tell them the baby's name? See previous question. Did you try to tell them? See previous question. Were you aware that they were trying to find out the baby's gender by asking you for the name? Assume no. Were you deliberately trying to thwart them? No. Or did you foil their plans in all innocence? Yes.

Did you make a distinction wheather the baby was a male or a female? Did you give them a name that fits for both males and females? Did you give them a name at all? Did you tell them that the name was based on the gender of the baby? Is it relevant the specific question they asked to you? See the previous questions.

Did you say something like, "I want a girl/boy" rather than "it's a girl/boy"
Did you simply tell them the opposite?
Did you say something like, "It's a teddy"? or "It's Thomas the Tank Engine"? No to all of these, see previous questions.

[jumpingjacks]

Do we need to find out her exact name and the way you pronounced it?
Was your pronunciation off to such an extent that they were unable to tell what the actual name was? Did they think you were saying another name? A unisex name? Did they know it was a mispronunciation? Did you pronounce it in such a way that it could have been one of two (or more) names? For example, something like "Jin", which could be "Jean" (female), or "Jon"(male), or something else entirely, thus leaving them clueless about the gender still?

[gregoryuconn]

Do we need to find out her exact name and the way you pronounced it? No, just the general idea. See next question.
Was your pronunciation off to such an extent that they were unable to tell what the actual name was? YES! That's it!

****SPOILER****

My sister's name was Leanne, and my parents told me not to tell anyone whether she would be a boy or a girl. However, some enterprising people decided to ask me for the name, thinking they could figure it out. But I couldn't say "Leanne", so I joyfully exclaimed "La-Een!" leaving them clueless as to whether the baby was a boy or a girl. Great work, all.

[Earnest]

Nice one!