[klondike mary] Counting down

[klondike mary]

2nd is 1st, 6th is 8th, but 4 is 4.
And you can't see the forest for the trees.
What am I blathering on about?

[GalFisk]

Seconds? Dates? Music? Numbers that sound like words? Words that sound like numbers? A competition? Game? Math? History? Literature? Is there a literal forest? Literal trees?

[biograd]

I assume that it's significant that the 4s are both just "4", and not "4th" like the other numbers?

[klondike mary]

Seconds? Dates? Music? Numbers that sound like words? Words that sound like numbers? A competition? Game? Math? History? Literature? None of these.Is there a literal forest? No.Literal trees? Could be some, but n.r.
GalFisk

[klondike mary]

I assume that it's significant that the 4s are both just "4", and not "4th" like the other numbers? Actually, both 4s are 4th. Sorry for the confusion.

[GalFisk]

Is the outdoors relevant? A ranking? Shuffling? Is the puzzle statement something someone on the puzzle says? Thinks?

[klondike mary]

Is the outdoors relevant? YessishA ranking? No, n.r. Shuffling? in.r. Is the puzzle statement something someone on the puzzle says? Thinks? N.r. Would be true whether anyone says or thinks it or not.

[Sundowner]

Are all 2nd, 1st, 6th, 8th, 4th the same kind of things? tangible objects? animate things? people?
Are there two different rankings? so in one ranking something is 2nd and in the other ranking the same thing is 1st?
Would the puzzle statement still be true if I write "second" instead of "2nd", "sixth" instead of "6th", "fourth" instead of "4th"?
Does the puzzle statement work only in English?

[klondike mary]

Are all 2nd, 1st, 6th, 8th, 4th the same kind of things? yes tangible objects? Yes ]animate things? people?
Are there two different rankings? Yope. so in one ranking something is 2nd and in the other ranking the same thing is 1st? There is only one actual 'ranking.' What does it rank is the question.
Would the puzzle statement still be true if I write "second" instead of "2nd", "sixth" instead of "6th", "fourth" instead of "4th"? Yes. In fact, it would usually be written that way.
Does the puzzle statement work only in English? It is true in an English-speaking country. Don't know about other languages.

[biograd]

Are they streets in some city? (by the way, I just noticed yesterday that "Klondike" is misspelled in the username of this puzzle's author--all the previous times I read it, my brain must have "corrected" it for me)

[klondike mary]

Are they streets in some city? Umm- yope (by the way, I just noticed yesterday that "Klondike" is misspelled in the username of this puzzle's author--all the previous times I read it, my brain must have "corrected" it for me) Oops - My finger slipped in typing the heading for this puzzle. I think I am still officially 'klondike mary' on the board. I must have self-corrected mentally, but my fingers didn't realize it.
biograd

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[JenBurdoo]

Is a specific definition of "road" or "street" relevant? Are they highways? Trails?

[klondike mary]

Is a specific definition of "road" or "street" relevant? No, just the common-speech definition. Are they highways? Trails? No. They are thoroughfares in urban areas,, no matter how small, and even if they are called 'avenues,' or something similar.
All that needs to be discovered is the scope of the puzzle.
JenBurdoo

[Mimino]

Street names relevant? historical street names?
Is there a "2nd Street" which actually is the first street in a sequence? if so: was it in the second place at some point in the past?
Renaming of streets relevant? renaming of highways?

[klondike mary]

Street names relevant? Yes.historical street names? current street names.
Is there a "2nd Street" which actually is the first street in a sequence? DOYD 'sequence'if so: was it in the second place at some point in the past? in the past but still current
Renaming of streets relevant? renaming of highways? No to both
Mimino

[Doriana]

Is 2nd street the most common street name, making it 1st? And 6th street is in 8th place, while 4th place is in 4th?

[biograd]

That's a good guess, Doriana! I could imagine that the street otherwise known as 1st is quite commonly given a different name, like Main or Center, whereas in cities with numbered streets, 2nd would always be called 2nd. That of course would raise the question what the other names are in between in commonality that aren't the corresponding sequential numbers. 1st itself would have to be in there somewhere, and probably at least one of the common alternative names for 1st as well.

[klondike mary]

That's a good guess, Doriana! I could imagine that the street otherwise known as 1st is quite commonly given a different name, like Main or Center, whereas in cities with numbered streets, 2nd would always be called 2nd. That of course would raise the question what the other names are in between in commonality that aren't the corresponding sequential numbers. 1st itself would have to be in there somewhere, and probably at least one of the common alternative names for 1st as well.
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Both correct. This is true for the US, anyway, where the order is: 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 4th, Park 5th, Main, 6th, Oak, 7th. As biograd says, frequently what would normally be 1st goes by Main, or Center, or, as in my home town, Commercial. Tree names are popular, but vary with climate. Some type of oak grows most everywhere, tho