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[WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'Pete'

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Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:18 pm
by WiZ
Joseph was a working-class lad who was born in Dublin, Ireland. He died at the age of 23, without any remarkable achievements to his name. He was not a celebrity or particularly notorious, both before and after his death. His grave is the most visited in the large and well-established cemetery where it lies. Why should that be so?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:23 pm
by GalFisk
Is anyone else buried in the same grave? Is the location of the grave relevant? Is it the first one you pass? Is it visited by people who also visit other graves? By people who visit his grave only? Do people visit it for the same purpose as they visit other graves? Is a relevant facility located at his grave? Or near it? Such as a water faucet? Or lavatory?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:44 pm
by Balin
Is his surname relevant?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:16 pm
by RedWine
Is Joseph's family status relevant? Was he son/husband/father of someone famous? Is his profession relevant?
Does his grave monument present a remarkable artistic value? Is his name written on the grave?
Is Joseph's cause of death relevant? Is he buried in Ireland? Is Joseph a symbol of something important?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:58 am
by peter365
I have a feeling that the grave is not in Ireland. Is it Arlington? Normandy? Was he a soldier?
Does he share a famous name with someone , maybe he's a kennedy?
Is there anything unusual about his headstone? Is there a humourous message there? Do people actually realise that it's a grave? Do they think Joseph's final resting place is something else?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:02 am
by WiZ
Galfisk
Is anyone else buried in the same grave? no Is the location of the grave relevant? no, assuming by your following questions that you mean 'within the cemetery' Is it the first one you pass? no Is it visited by people who also visit other graves? no, as a rule By people who visit his grave only? yes, as a rule Do people visit it for the same purpose as they visit other graves? yes, broadly speaking Is a relevant facility located at his grave? no Or near it? no Such as a water faucet? no Or lavatory? no
Balin
Is his surname relevant? yes!
Redwine
Is Joseph's family status relevant? no Was he son/husband/father of someone famous? no Is his profession relevant?yes
Does his grave monument present a remarkable artistic value? no Is his name written on the grave? yesish!
Is Joseph's cause of death relevant? Is he buried in Ireland? no Is Joseph a symbol of something important? yes or yope, depending on the individual's conception of him
Pete the unburied Irishman
I have a feeling that the grave is not in Ireland. your spidey-sense tingles healthily Is it Arlington? no Normandy? no Was he a soldier? no
Does he share a famous name with someone yesish!, maybe he's a kennedy? but not this
Is there anything unusual about his headstone? no Is there a humourous message there? no Do people actually realise that it's a grave? yes Do they think Joseph's final resting place is something else? no
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:14 am
by peter365
Does he share a similar name and occupation with someone famous? Is his first name initial quoted on his headstone leading to confusion? Do people think they are visiting the grave of someone famous? Do people visit his grave as a kind of homage?
Do people tend to leave things at the grave? other than flowers I mean?
Are they trying to gain a benefit by visiting the grave? Is there some superstition or legend attached to visiting this grave? Is religeon relevant ?
Wild Guess: He's buried in Paris and his name is Joseph Morrison?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:21 am
by WiZ
Does he share a similar name yes and occupation no; there is another relevant similarity that is linked to his occupation, however with someone famous? Is his first name initial quoted on his headstone leading to confusion? yes! Do people think they are visiting the grave of someone famous? yes or yope, depending on the visitor's IQ/grasp of reality Do people visit his grave as a kind of homage? yes
Do people tend to leave things at the grave? other than flowers I mean? no
Are they trying to gain a benefit by visiting the grave? no; nothing selfish Is there some superstition or legend attached to visiting this grave? not tied to the act of pilgrimmage/visitation itself Is religeon relevant ? Your spelling made me think of a pastoral pigeon tending to his 'flock'. Religion is not relevant to the solution here.
Wild Guess: He's buried in Paris and his name is Joseph Morrison? A little too wild, in this case.
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:27 am
by peter365
Your spelling made me think of a pastoral pigeon tending to his 'flock'. Religion is not relevant to the solution here.
Don't know where that rogue e came from.
Are people inspired to visit this grave by a movie? song? book? Is the famous person fictional?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:28 am
by peter365
Was Joseph a criminal ?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:32 am
by WiZ
Are people inspired to visit this grave by a movie? this song? book? Is the famous person fictional? yes
Was Joseph a criminal ? no
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:38 am
by GalFisk
A war movie? Drama? Comedy? Does the character relevantly die in the movie? Is the movie based on real events? Or at least claimed to be?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:49 am
by WiZ
A war movie? no Drama? yes Comedy? no Does the character relevantly die in the movie? yes Is the movie based on real events? yes Or at least claimed to be?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:52 am
by peter365
Is there an actual grave key to the plot of the movie? Like in The Good The Bad and The Ugly for example.
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:53 am
by peter365
Oops I cross posted there so my example is obviously way off the mark
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:59 am
by WiZ
Is there an actual grave key to the plot of the movie? no Like in The Good The Bad and The Ugly for example.
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:00 am
by RedWine
Do those who visit the grave think the movie describes real events? Including real - not fictional - person?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:06 am
by peter365
Does adding the J to the surname spell a word that causes the confusion?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:10 pm
by WiZ
Redwine
Do those who visit the grave think the movie describes real events? yes (which it does, on the whole, although dramatic license rears its head from start to finish) Including real - not fictional - person? Some think so
Peter
Does adding the J to the surname spell a word that causes the confusion? no - no improper nouns are involved
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:45 pm
by peter365
Does the movie imply that the character is buried in the same graveyard as Joseph? Is the character also Irish?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:48 pm
by Balin
"Saving Private Ryan"? The gravestone visited at the end of the movie is for a person whose first name begins with J. (which isn't a $poyler for the movie, because that could refer to multiple people, muahahaha)
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:34 pm
by WiZ
Peter
Does the movie imply that the character is buried in the same graveyard as Joseph? not directly - the movie makes no direct suggestions as to where the character is buried - but the cemetery in which Joseph is buried is a liable candidate for the final resting place of this fictional character Is the character also Irish? no
Balin
"Saving Private Ryan"? The gravestone visited at the end of the movie is for a person whose first name begins with J. (which isn't a $poyler for the movie, because that could refer to multiple people, muahahaha) This isn't the answer (it's not a war film and there's not direct reference to a gravestone or final resting place) but you've captured the spirit of the solution
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:52 pm
by RedWine
Did the movie relevantly refer to where was the character living? or where he died?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:57 pm
by WiZ
Did the movie relevantly refer to where was the character living? or where he died? this
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:00 pm
by RedWine
Is the cemetery located in the place (town? city? village?) where the character died in the movie? Is the movie important for a relevant movement? Or organisation?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:56 pm
by danobrazil
Movie from - 40s? 50s? 60s? etc? What period is the movie depicting - 1700s, 1800s, 1900-1959, 1960-1999, 2000s? Helpful to explore a sub-drama category? Cemetery in - Europe? NA? SA? Australia? Africa? Asia? Eurasia?
Any of these relevant - Sherlock, Moriarty, Watson, Dean, Mengele
First name of the fictional character - John, James, Joseph, Jack, Jim, Jimmy, Jacob, Joshua, Jonathan, Justin, Jason, Joel, Jesse, Jose, Jake, Joe, Jerry, Jeff, Jeffrey, Johnny, Juan, Jordan?
Is the fictional character - A good person? Evil? In turmoil? Wild/Crazy?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:21 am
by WiZ
Redwine
Is the cemetery located in the place (town? city? village?) where the character died in the movie? No; indeed such a cemetery would be extremely difficult to maintain or visit Is the movie important for a relevant movement? Or organisation? no, its appeal is universal
Danobrazil
Movie from - 40s? 50s? 60s? etc? 90s What period is the movie depicting - 1700s, 1800s, 1900-1959 this, 1960-1999, 2000s? Helpful to explore a sub-drama category? no Cemetery in - Europe? NA? this SA? Australia? Africa? Asia? Eurasia?
Any of these relevant - Sherlock, Moriarty, Watson, no to all Dean specify Dean, Mengele nein
First name of the fictional character - John, James, Joseph, Jack this, Jim, Jimmy, Jacob, Joshua, Jonathan, Justin, Jason, Joel, Jesse, Jose, Jake, Joe, Jerry, Jeff, Jeffrey, Johnny, Juan, Jordan? Not a bad list, it must be said.
Is the fictional character - A good person? yes Evil? no In turmoil? yes (and rather a lot of it towards the end of the film) Wild/Crazy? Perhaps more 'greatly impetuous' than 'wild'
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:26 am
by RedWine
Did the movie character die on Earth? In outer space? Underground? In water? Titanic relevant?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:28 am
by WiZ
Did the movie character die on Earth? yes In outer space? no Underground? no In water? yes Titanic relevant? very
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:38 am
by RedWine
Was Joseph's surname Dawson? Did Joseph die on Titanic? Is the cemetery located in the destination port of Titanic? Is the grave just symbolical then?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:03 pm
by GalFisk
Is the disaster itself relevant? The romance movie set during the disaster?
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:10 pm
by danobrazil
How is it Red Wine asks spoiling questions so quickly, what's your secret? No really, what's your secret? No really?
I saw the relevant Dawson, so everyone get ready for another Red Wine spoil, as opposed to spoiled Red Wine,

Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:39 pm
by Balin
Aww... I was enjoying this puzzle and wanted to ask a question, but it seems the Reddest of Wines has gotten there first. Very good one.
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:27 pm
by peter365
Ah the old 'why didn't she move over and share the raft?' scene.
I know Kate has a wonderful (and I really mean wonderful) full figure but surely skinny Leonardo could have squeezed on to that floating bit of furniture without sinking it.
Nice puzzle WiZ

Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:25 pm
by Balin
James Cameron appeared on MythBusters when they tested that scene, and summed it up as "the script says he dies, so he dies."
Re: [WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'P

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Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:48 am
by WiZ
Hey, now, what's this? Why are you having the post-spoiler pillow talk when the spoiler hasn't even been posted? Honestly!
Redwine
Was Joseph's surname Dawson? Yes! Did Joseph die on Titanic? Yes (or next to it, really) Is the cemetery located in the destination port of Titanic? No; but many victims are buried there Is the grave just symbolical then? To some; to others, it's the grave of the "real" J. Dawson who they saw drawing Kate Winslet's bosoms
***** SPOILER *****
When James Cameron was writing the movie, he intended for the main characters Rose DeWitt Bukater and Jack Dawson to be entirely fictitious. It was only after the script was finished that he discovered that there had been a real "J. Dawson" who died aboard the Titanic. This "J. Dawson" was trimmer Joseph Dawson, who had been born September 1888 in Dublin, Ireland. His body was salvaged and buried at Fairview Lawn cemetery in Nova Scotia with many other Titanic victims. Today, his grave stone (#227) is the most widely visited in the cemetery.
Congratulations to Redwine for the spoil, and everyone else for their participation.