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Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:52 pm
by Admin
No-one spoke French. There was a miscarriage of justice and a tragic death. The people were ridiculed. A mascot was created and unexpectedly elected to public office.
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:29 pm
by Puzzlecat
Is this a linear series of events? Where each event was directly caused by the one preceding it?
"a tragic death" = of a human being? Caused by the miscarriage of justice? Was an innocent person sentenced to jail? Or death? Was a guilty person let free?
Are the people who were ridiculed the same as the people who didn't speak French? The people related to the miscarriage of justice/death?
Mascot - of a brand? A sports team? A specific place? Were people intentionally voting for a mascot to to hold public office? Are these local elections? Regional? National?
Does any of this take place in France?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:59 pm
by Admin
Puzzlecat,
Is this a linear series of events? Where each event was directly caused by the one preceding it?
YES. DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY
"a tragic death" = of a human being?
NO
Caused by the miscarriage of justice?
YES
Was an innocent person sentenced to jail? Or death? Was a guilty person let free?
NO
Are the people who were ridiculed the same as the people who didn't speak French?
NO, NOT EXACTLY
The people related to the miscarriage of justice/death?
NO, NOT EXACTLY
Mascot - of a brand? A sports team?
NO, YES
A specific place? Were people intentionally voting for a mascot to to hold public office?
YES, YES
Are these local elections? Regional? National?
YES, NO, NO
Does any of this take place in France?
NO
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:15 am
by JenBurdoo1
Do these events happen over the course of hours? Days? Years? Decades? Centuries?
Should people have spoken French? Was this a place where people might have been expected to do so?
The tragic death of an animal? Perhaps accused of witchcraft? Later chosen as a mascot?
Were the people responsible for the death? Ridiculed at the time? Afterward?
Were the votes for the mascot ironic? Protest votes?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:24 am
by Sarisberie
Is it relevant that no one spoke French? Was the mascot French? Animal, human? Was the mascot sentenced to death? Actually or metaphorically? Was the mascot alive, dead, neither, at any stage? Does 'death' = removed, retired, actually killed, other?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:13 am
by Admin
Hi Jen,
Do these events happen over the course of hours? Days? Years? Decades? Centuries?
Centuries
Should people have spoken French? Was this a place where people might have been expected to do so?
Maybe, NO
The tragic death of an animal? Perhaps accused of witchcraft?
NO
Later chosen as a mascot?
YES
Were the people responsible for the death? Ridiculed at the time? Afterward?
AFTERWARD
Were the votes for the mascot ironic? Protest votes?
WHO KNOWS? PROBABLY YES.
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:16 am
by Admin
Sarisberie,
Is it relevant that no one spoke French?
YES
Was the mascot French?
NO
Animal, human?
YES (IN A WAY), YES (IN A WAY)
Was the mascot sentenced to death?
NO
Actually or metaphorically? Was the mascot alive, dead, neither, at any stage? Does 'death' = removed, retired, actually killed, other?
THERE WAS AN ACTUAL DEATH - BUT NOT THE MASCOT
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:37 pm
by Sarisberie
Was the mascot an animal version of a human, or vice versa? Relevant which animal [list of animals]? Was the mascot spoils of war? Was someone (the in-a-way human, or animal) wearing a costume? Was the death of a person, or animal?
"A mascot was created and unexpectedly elected to public office" - was it Boris Johnson?

Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:08 pm
by trebor2
Is the creature that dies from a work of fiction/religion/mythology? Is it an anthropomorphic creature? A human-animal hybrid? A god? (Correct me if I've misunderstood previous answers, but it's neither human nor animal, correct?) Does it die in the real world? Is it a plant? Bacteria? Virus? Something else microscopic?
Is the mascot for a UK team? European? African? Asian? North American? South American? Oceanian? Does the team still exist? Do they play: Football (American/Canadian)? Football (the rest of the world's definition?) Aussie rules football? Rugby? Cricket? Hockey? Field hockey? Baseball? Basketball? Lacrosse? Curling? An sport that has solo and team competitions, like tennis? Golf? Swimming? Is it a mascot for a country at international competitions?
No one spoke French: did this lead to a misunderstanding? To anger? To a war or similar violent conflict? Does this have anything to do with colonialism and competing colonial powers? Does it happen in an area where French is spoken now? Where it has been spoken in the past? Is it relevant that sometimes leaders/monarchs didn't speak the language of the people they were leading?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:35 pm
by Admin
Trebor,
Is the creature that dies from a work of fiction/religion/mythology? Is it an anthropomorphic creature? A human-animal hybrid? A god? (Correct me if I've misunderstood previous answers, but it's neither human nor animal, correct?)
IT WAS ANIMAL
Does it die in the real world?
YES
Is it a plant? Bacteria? Virus? Something else microscopic?
NO
Is the mascot for a UK team?
YES
European? African? Asian? North American? South American? Oceanian?
NO
Does the team still exist?
YES
Do they play: Football (American/Canadian)? Football (the rest of the world's definition?) Aussie rules football? Rugby? Cricket? Hockey? Field hockey? Baseball? Basketball? Lacrosse? Curling? An sport that has solo and team competitions, like tennis? Golf? Swimming?
FOOTBALL - REST OF WORLD VERSION
Is it a mascot for a country at international competitions?
NO
No one spoke French: did this lead to a misunderstanding?
YES
To anger? To a war or similar violent conflict?
NO
Does this have anything to do with colonialism and competing colonial powers?
LOOSELY YES
Does it happen in an area where French is spoken now? Where it has been spoken in the past? Is it relevant that sometimes leaders/monarchs didn't speak the language of the people they were leading?
NO
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:38 pm
by Admin
SARISBERIE,
Was the mascot an animal version of a human, or vice versa?
VICE VERSA
Relevant which animal [list of animals]?
YES - MONKEY
Was the mascot spoils of war?
NO
Was someone (the in-a-way human, or animal) wearing a costume?
YES
Was the death of a person, or animal?
ANIMAL
"A mascot was created and unexpectedly elected to public office" - was it Boris Johnson?
NO
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:25 pm
by Sarisberie
Is it extinct? Is it a Dodo?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:25 am
by Admin
Sarisberie
Is it extinct? Is it a Dodo?
NO
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:44 am
by Sundowner64
Did any of the events in the chain happen in the UK (or then-UK, including Ireland, or any of its predecessors):
- the event where no-one understood French?
- the miscarriage of justice?
- the tragic death?
- the ridiculing of people?
- the creation of the mascot?
- the election of the mascot into a public office?
Was there a relevant document/order/request/warning/sign in French language? which was not obeyed by relevant people due to lack of language skills?
Legal French relevant?
Did the miscarriage of justice involve: court proceedings? criminal investigation? arresting people? keeping people in prison? banning people or restricting them in a legal way? handling civil claims? handling documents? allowing or denying access to a public office?
Was the miscarriage intentional?
Were the ridiculed people somehow related to the football team? were they team members? supporters? people from the same region?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:35 pm
by Admin
Sundowner,
Did any of the events in the chain happen in the UK (or then-UK, including Ireland, or any of its predecessors):
- the event where no-one understood French?
- the miscarriage of justice?
- the tragic death?
- the ridiculing of people?
- the creation of the mascot?
- the election of the mascot into a public office?
YES. ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Was there a relevant document/order/request/warning/sign in French language? which was not obeyed by relevant people due to lack of language skills?
NO
Legal French relevant?
NO
Did the miscarriage of justice involve: court proceedings? criminal investigation?
LOOSELY YES
arresting people? keeping people in prison? banning people or restricting them in a legal way? handling civil claims? handling documents? allowing or denying access to a public office?
NO
Was the miscarriage intentional?
WE DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY
Were the ridiculed people somehow related to the football team?
LOOSELY
were they team members? supporters?
NO
people from the same region?
YES
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:04 pm
by Sundowner64
Are the people ridiculed for being responsible for the death of the monkey?
Were local people indeed responsible for the monkey's death? did they kill the monkey?
Is the football team based in Durham County?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:46 pm
by Admin
Sundowner,
Are the people ridiculed for being responsible for the death of the monkey?
Were local people indeed responsible for the monkey's death? did they kill the monkey?
Is the football team based in Durham County?
YES to all those!
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:31 am
by trebor2
Was the monkey involved in the miscarriage of justice? Was it a symbol of France? Was it killed by the French? The British?
Did the killing of the monkey become part of the lore of Durham County? Did it become a symbol of some type of resistance or political stance?
Was the mascot created in honour of the monkey? To honour the killing of the monkey? To recognize the stupidity of the people who killed the monkey? To make fun of them?
Did the person who portrayed the mascot run for office? As the mascot? As themselves? Was it a joke campaign?
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 am
by Admin
Trebor,
Thanks for resurrecting this puzzle.
Was the monkey involved in the miscarriage of justice?
YES
Was it a symbol of France?
SORT OF
Was it killed by the French? The British?
NO, YES
Did the killing of the monkey become part of the lore of Durham County?
YES
Did it become a symbol of some type of resistance or political stance?
NO
Was the mascot created in honour of the monkey?
YES
To honour the killing of the monkey? To recognize the stupidity of the people who killed the monkey? To make fun of them?
LOOSELY YES TO THOSE
Did the person who portrayed the mascot run for office? As the mascot?
YES, YES
As themselves?
NO
Was it a joke campaign?
YES
Re: Up the Pool [Admin]

Posted:
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:12 am
by Admin
Time to post a * * * SPOILER * * *
Legend has it that during the Napoleonic Wars of the early 19th century, a shipwrecked monkey was hanged by the people of Hartlepool, believing him to be a French spy! To this day, people from Hartlepool are affectionately known as ‘monkey hangers’. H'Angus the Monkey is the official mascot of Hartlepool United. The name "H'Angus" is a pun of the word hang and the name Angus, and is derived from the monkey hanger legend of Hartlepool. As a marketing gimmick, H'Angus the monkey ran for mayor of Hartlepool in 2002 and won! Stuart Drummond, the man in the monkey costume, performed his duties as major diligently and was re-elected in 2005 and 2009. He was the first elected mayor in Britain to win a third term.