[Sarisberie] Funtime for Philip

[Sarisberie]

Certain people waste more time than others… or they would if they tried this remedy.

[GalFisk]

Woud trying the remedy be a waste of time? Would trying the remedy enable them to waste more time? Waste time: doing nothing? Doing something unproductive instead of something productive? Doing something that takes a long time? Doing something in a way that requires more time? Effort? Is it a remedy for a malady? Is it a folk remedy? An ineffective remedy? Is the remedy a substance? An object? An action? Abstaining from something? Belief relevant? Religion? Organized religion? Do the certain people already waste more time than others? Can the certain people be said to be members of a group? Would it help to figure out how many such people there are? Would it be possible?

[Sarisberie]

Woud trying the remedy be a waste of time? yes, for certain people Would trying the remedy enable them to waste more time? irrel Waste time: doing nothing? Doing something unproductive yes instead of something productive? Doing something that takes a long time? Doing something in a way that requires more time? Effort? Is it a remedy for a malady? could be considered one, in this context Is it a folk remedy? no An ineffective remedy? yes Is the remedy a substance? An object? involves one An action? yes Abstaining from something? Belief relevant? Religion? Organized religion? Do the certain people already waste more time than others? no Can the certain people be said to be members of a group? yes, svv of group Would it help to figure out how many such people there are? not for puzzle purposes, but assume a tiny minority Would it be possible? idk

[trebor2]

Are these people linked by profession? Ethnicity? Hobby/interest? Religion? Age? Mental health issue? (Being ADHD myself means a lot of the things that work for other people in terms of time management do not work for me.)

Are the people trying to accomplish a specific task?

[GalFisk]

Is the object a machine? A device? An apparatus? Bigger than a breadbox? Is it made for the specific purpose of being the remedy? Do everyone who try this remedy waste time? Is it ever effective? Placebo relevant? exercise? Muscles?

[Sarisberie]

Are these people linked by profession? Ethnicity? Hobby/interest? Religion? Age? Mental health issue? no or Irrel to all (Being ADHD myself means a lot of the things that work for other people in terms of time management do not work for me.) sorry to hear that.

Are the people trying to accomplish a specific task? assume yes, or they might consider the possibility

[Sarisberie]

Is the object a machine? A device? An apparatus? Could be called any of these, I’d call it a device myself Bigger than a breadbox? no Is it made for the specific purpose of being the remedy? no, i.e. it has a purpose already Do everyone who try this remedy waste time? only if they were in the group ‘certain people’ Is it ever effective? not for the ‘certain people’ Placebo relevant? no exercise? no Muscles? yope

[GalFisk]

Exercise relevant? Sport? Disabilities? Is the device mechanical? Electric? Electronic? Dangerous? Fun? Useful?

[Sarisberie]

Exercise relevant? Sport? Disabilities? This Is the device mechanical? likely this Electric? Electronic? but could be this Dangerous? Fun? Useful?yes

[GalFisk]

Do the people who waste time suffer from a disability? If so: blindness? Deafness? Memory issues? Cognitive issues? Motor control issues? Muscle issues? Spinal issues? Is the device made for disabled people? Non-disabled people? Can people with a certain disability not use this device? WAG: is it aromatherapy for people who lost their smell to COVID? Light therapy for blind people? Step counters for paraplegics?

[trebor2]

Is the device a wheelchair?

[Sarisberie]

Do the people who waste time suffer from a disability? yes If so: blindness? Deafness? Memory issues? Cognitive issues? Motor control issues? Muscle issues? this is closest Spinal issues? Is the device made for disabled people? N/R Non-disabled people? yes, but some disabled people could use it Can people with a certain disability not use this device? correct WAG: is it aromatherapy for people who lost their smell to COVID? no Light therapy for blind people? no Step counters for paraplegics? no but otrt

[Sarisberie]

Is the device a wheelchair? no. Also, I’ve never seen a wheelchair which could fit inside a breadbin.

[GalFisk]

Do the disabled people in question have issues walking? Standing? Sitting? Using their legs? Feeling their legs? Using another part of their body? Do they have any missing body parts? Deformed? Is the device handheld? Fastened on clothing? Worn on the body? Put in a pocket? Does it measure something? Help with something? Entertain? Communicate? Count something? Is it a medical device? Sports device?

[Sarisberie]

Do the disabled people in question have issues walking? Standing? Sitting? Using their legs? Feeling their legs? Using another part of their body? yes Do they have any missing body parts? yes Deformed? Is the device handheld? yesish Fastened on clothing? not normally, explore Worn on the body? yope Put in a pocket? Does it measure something? yes Help with something? yes Entertain? Communicate? Count something? yes Is it a medical device? Sports device? no or Irrel to the rest

[doriana_]

Is the device a smartwatch?

[Sarisberie]

Is the device a smartwatch(?yes, or indeed a standard watch.

[Biograd1]

Is the use of a watch itself the remedy? or is the remedy a more specific action that just happens to involve a watch somehow?

Is the wasting time due to the fact that the watch does not measure time accurately in this instance? that there's no use knowing what time it is in the relevant situation? that there are easier methods to deal with the disability where the situation in which one would use a watch doesn't even arise?

[GalFisk]

will they waste time by: not being able to use the watch? Not being able to wear it? Needing to wear it in a less convenient fashion? Having to carry it in a pocket?

[trebor2]

trebor2 wrote:
Is the device a wheelchair? no. Also, I’ve never seen a wheelchair which could fit inside a breadbin.

You're gonna need a bigger breadbin.

Are these people amputees? Or just born without hands/arms? Quadriplegic?

Is the advice meant to help people be organized? Be on time for things? Is it just like, "If you want to not be late all the time, wear a watch"?

[Sarisberie]

trebor2 wrote:
Is the device a wheelchair? no. Also, I’ve never seen a wheelchair which could fit inside a breadbin.

You're gonna need a bigger breadbin. Or, needs more cowbell

Are these people amputees? could be this Or just born without hands/arms? yeah, hands and arms missing Quadriplegic? no

Is the advice meant to help people be organized? no Be on time for things? ye-es, in a general sense Is it just like, "If you want to not be late all the time, wear a watch"? this is closer

[Biograd1]

You missed Galfisk's and my questions

[Sarisberie]

You missed Galfisk's and my questions
Oh, sorry! Coming right up.

Is the use of a watch itself the remedy? I would say it's half the remedy. or is the remedy a more specific action that just happens to involve a watch somehow? It involves a specific action with a watch and something else

Is the wasting time due to the fact that the watch does not measure time accurately in this instance? no that there's no use knowing what time it is in the relevant situation? no that there are easier methods to deal with the disability where the situation in which one would use a watch doesn't even arise? not quite sure what you mean... reword?

will they waste time by: not being able to use the watch? partly this Not being able to wear it? they CAN wear it... Needing to wear it in a less convenient fashion? yes Having to carry it in a pocket? no

[GalFisk]

Can they not wear it on their wrist? Their preferred wrist? Do they need to wear it on an ankle? Another body part? Is any watch telling time relevant? Smart watches relevant?

[Sarisberie]

Can they not wear it on their wrist? no Their preferred wrist? no - see my reply to Trebor's latest post above Do they need to wear it on an ankle? no Another body part? yes Is any watch telling time relevant? not sure what you mean? Smart watches relevant? no

[GalFisk]

I mean, is any watch that can tell time, relevant to the puzzle? Or does it need to have some additional function? Or tell time in a specific way? Such as using a battery? Display? Hands? Spring? Self-winding mechanism? Is the time wasted on having to get the watch out in a less convenient way than raising a wrist? Are only wrist watches relevant?

[Sarisberie]

I mean, is any watch that can tell time, relevant to the puzzle? yes Or does it need to have some additional function? no Or tell time in a specific way? no Such as using a battery? Display? Hands? Spring? Self-winding mechanism? all irrelIs the time wasted on having to get the watch out in a less convenient way than raising a wrist? yes Are only wrist watches relevant? yes, but...

[GalFisk]

Re wristwatches; yes, but: is any other type of watch involved? clock? Timekeeping device? Wrist-worn device?

[Sarisberie]

Re wristwatches; yes, but: is any other type of watch involved? no clock? Timekeeping device? Wrist-worn device? yope/FA

[GalFisk]

Are any other devices relevant? Are some devices specifically not relevant?

[Sarisberie]

Are any other devices relevant? Besides the watch, just one other device. Are some devices specifically not relevant? Anything else is irrel.

[GalFisk]

One other: mobile phone? Medical device? Prosthesis? Something that can tell time? That is normally worn on the wrist?

[Sarisberie]

One other: mobile phone? Medical device? Prosthesis? Something that can tell time? That is normally worn on the wrist? no to all

[GalFisk]

Mechanical device? Electrical? Electronic? A tool? A toy? Something people relevantly carry with them?

[Sarisberie]

Mechanical device? Electrical? Electronic? A tool? Yope/DOYD 'tool' A toy? no Something people relevantly carry with them? Many do

[GalFisk]

DOYD of "tool": a container? clothing? Bag? Some other carrying device? Sports equipment?

[Sarisberie]

DOYD of "tool": a container? clothing? this Bag? Some other carrying device? Sports equipment?

[GalFisk]

Clothing worn on: head? Neck? Torso? Arms? Hands? Legs? Feet?
Underwear? Clothing worn in a nontraditional manner?

[Sarisberie]

Clothing worn on: head? Neck? Torso? this Arms? Hands? Legs? Feet?
Underwear? Clothing worn in a nontraditional manner?it IS worn in a traditional manner, but also...

[Sundowner64]

Is the piece of clothing a shirt? a sweater? a jacket? a coat?
Is the advice that these people should put the watch into the shirt pocket? or fix it to a shirt button?

[Sarisberie]

Is the piece of clothing a shirt? a sweater? a jacket? a coat? none of these
Is the advice that these people should put the watch into the shirt pocket? no or fix it to a shirt button? no, but this is closer

[GalFisk]

Are buttons relevant? Zippers? Velcro? Magnets? Belts? Suspenders? Knots? Hooks? Is the piece fo clothing a vest? does it have arms? Arm holes? Legs? Leg holes? A neck hole? Is it normally worn for warmth? Convenience? Modesty? Fun? Flamboyancy? Decoration? Status symbolism?

[Sarisberie]

Are buttons relevant? Zippers? Velcro? Magnets? Belts? this Suspenders? Knots? Hooks? Is the piece fo clothing a vest? does it have arms? Arm holes? Legs? Leg holes? A neck hole? Is it normally worn for warmth? Convenience? Modesty? Fun? Flamboyancy? Decoration? Status symbolism? all irrel

[GalFisk]

Is the belt worn in pants? In some other normal fashion? In an unusual fashion? Clipping a watch to the belt relevant?

[Sarisberie]

Is the belt worn in pants? yes In some other normal fashion? In an unusual fashion? Clipping a watch to the belt relevant? exactly

[Sundowner64]

So is then the remedy that people who have no arms should clip a watch to the belt in order to know the time? But looking up the time this way is quite hard if you have no arms?

[Sarisberie]

So is then the remedy that people who have no arms should clip a watch to the belt in order to know the time? yes But looking up the time this way is quite hard if you have no arms? indeed

[GalFisk]

Are other wastes of time relevant? Other things people with no arms do? Or don't do?

[Sarisberie]

Are other wastes of time relevant? laterally, yes Other things people with no arms do? Or don't do? no

[trebor2]

Is it just that, assuming they didn't have help, if they would have to have hands to clip the watches to the belts? That it would take more time to set up this arrangement than they just lose normally?

Would they still have to get someone to help them read the time (or clip the watch) when they could just ask that person what the time is?

[Sarisberie]

Is it just that, assuming they didn't have help, if they would have to have hands to clip the watches to the belts? That it would take more time to set up this arrangement than they just lose normally? Yes, exactly

Would they still have to get someone to help them read the time (or clip the watch) when they could just ask that person what the time is? And this as well.

You're nearly there...

SO: UPDATE: You've established the full situation, and the nature of the waste of time. You just need a summary statement to buckle it up:

"PEOPLE WITH NO ARMS COULD WEAR A WATCH ON THEIR BELT. BUT THAT WOULD..."


have at it

[GalFisk]

...be a waist of time?

[Sarisberie]

...be a waist of time? YES

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“People with no arms could wear a watch on their belt. But that would be a waist of time.”
Sorry for the terrible pun! I couldn't resist it.

Well done to GalFisk for the final solve, and to trebor2, Doriana, Biograd1, Sundowner64 too. I shall now go and hide my head in shame.

[trebor2]

Oh, fantastic. Some people think it isn't cool to make puns, but I think it's hip to be square.