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[Balin] Them's the brakes

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:58 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
A car is traveling down a straight road at dusk when it begins to repeatedly decelerate and accelerate. Why?

OOATP rules apply

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:50 pm
by Sarisberie2
Can we exclude problems with the car itself, mechanical or otherwise?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:56 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
Can we exclude problems with the car itself, mechanical Yes or otherwise? Yope

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:56 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
More specifically, it depends on how you define the word "problem."

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:36 pm
by Biograd1
Is it being driven by a human driver? self-driving? Is it an actual, physical car in real life (as opposed to, e.g., a car in a movie or video game)?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:59 am
by Sundowner64
Is the driver accelerating and decelerating the car? (as opposed to the car doing that automatically, without the driver's intervention)

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 pm
by GalFisk
Is the road straight in both the left-and-right and the up-and-down direction?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:09 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
Is it being driven by a human driver? self-driving? This
Is it an actual, physical car in real life (as opposed to, e.g., a car in a movie or video game)? It is indeed an actual physical car

Is the driver accelerating and decelerating the car? (as opposed to the car doing that automatically, without the driver's intervention) Yes and No, since (as discovered above) the car is self-driving

Is the road straight in both the left-and-right and the up-and-down direction? Yes

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:15 pm
by Sundowner64
Relevant that this happens at dusk?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:43 pm
by GalFisk
Does it periodically perceive that there's an obstacle?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:18 am
by BalinTheDwarf
Relevant that this happens at dusk? Yes

Does it periodically perceive that there's an obstacle? I wouldn't say an "obstacle," No

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:27 am
by Biograd1
Does the self-driving AI have more difficulty detecting something (such as lane markings, road signs, etc.) under low light than under brighter light? so every time the car passes into a shadow, it slows down for safety reasons to make sure it can still detect stuff in enough time to avoid making errors?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:07 am
by Sundowner64
Did the car have an adapted cruise control (which got distracted by infrared light from the setting sun)?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
Does the self-driving AI have more difficulty detecting something (such as lane markings, road signs, etc.) under low light than under brighter light? No so every time the car passes into a shadow, it slows down for safety reasons to make sure it can still detect stuff in enough time to avoid making errors? No

Did the car have an adapted cruise control (which got distracted by infrared light from the setting sun)? No

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:39 pm
by GalFisk
Is it perceiving something, making it slow down, which makes the perception go away somehow, making it speed up, and the cycle repeats?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:09 pm
by doriana_
Does the car mistake the sunset for a red light?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:44 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
Is it perceiving something, making it slow down, which makes the perception go away somehow, making it speed up, and the cycle repeats? Yes

Does the car mistake the sunset for a red light? Almost exactly.

****SPOILER****

The self-driving Tesla kept mistaking the moon for a yellow traffic light.

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:31 pm
by Sarisberie2
I love this! POTY contender <3

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:30 am
by Biograd1
Did this actually happen, or is it just your imagination that it might?

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:03 pm
by BalinTheDwarf
Biograd - I saw it as a video on Reddit. The link is the word "SPOILER" in the spoiler post.

Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:46 pm
by GalFisk
Haha, reminds me of one I saw recently where a Tesla saw a train, and thought it was a series of trucks fused together.

I think if machines could somehow learn object permanence, it could do wonders for self-driving.