[Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2025 8:25 amHe was amazed when he heard the waitress tell him to leave.
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[Admin] The Unhappy Diner
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2025 8:25 amRe: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2025 8:59 pmWas he at a place where you can eat? Was he human? Was the waitress human? His age relevant? Did he know the waitress before the encounter when she told him to leave?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2025 7:48 amHi Mother,
Was he at a place where you can eat? Was he human? Was the waitress human?
YES
His age relevant?
NO
Did he know the waitress before the encounter when she told him to leave?
NO
Was he at a place where you can eat? Was he human? Was the waitress human?
YES
His age relevant?
NO
Did he know the waitress before the encounter when she told him to leave?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2025 11:11 amWas it a place intended primarily for eating? If you say 'waitress', she is female, right? Is the gender of the waitress actually relevant, or could it as well have been a male waiter?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2025 1:06 pmWas the man a patron of the place? Or staff?
Was he asked to leave right after he arrived? After he ordered? While he was eating? After he finished?
Did being told to leave mean a free Dinner?
Was he asked to leave right after he arrived? After he ordered? While he was eating? After he finished?
Did being told to leave mean a free Dinner?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2025 3:59 pmMother,
Was it a place intended primarily for eating?
YES
If you say 'waitress', she is female, right?
YES
Is the gender of the waitress actually relevant,
NO
or could it as well have been a male waiter?
YES
Was it a place intended primarily for eating?
YES
If you say 'waitress', she is female, right?
YES
Is the gender of the waitress actually relevant,
NO
or could it as well have been a male waiter?
YES
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2025 4:01 pmBITTER,
Was the man a patron of the place? Or staff?
YES, NO
Was he asked to leave right after he arrived?
NO
After he ordered?
YES
While he was eating? After he finished?
NO
Did being told to leave mean a free Dinner?
NO
Was the man a patron of the place? Or staff?
YES, NO
Was he asked to leave right after he arrived?
NO
After he ordered?
YES
While he was eating? After he finished?
NO
Did being told to leave mean a free Dinner?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 8:17 amIf he was a patron, then it is a public place, right?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 9:29 amTo clarify, "amazed" here means "positively surprised"?
Was he genuinely planning to eat at this place? Or drink?
When the waitress asked him to leave, had it something to do with the order? Relevant what he ordered? Did he order something that was unavailable at this place? Was he misbehaving?
Had she recognized the man?
When the waitress asked the man to leave, was she following the owner's request? Had someone complained about him? relevant?
Was he genuinely planning to eat at this place? Or drink?
When the waitress asked him to leave, had it something to do with the order? Relevant what he ordered? Did he order something that was unavailable at this place? Was he misbehaving?
Had she recognized the man?
When the waitress asked the man to leave, was she following the owner's request? Had someone complained about him? relevant?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:55 pmMother,
If he was a patron, then it is a public place, right?
CORRECT
If he was a patron, then it is a public place, right?
CORRECT
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:57 pmBITTER,
To clarify, "amazed" here means "positively surprised"?
YES
Was he genuinely planning to eat at this place? Or drink?
YES
When the waitress asked him to leave, had it something to do with the order? Relevant what he ordered?
YES, YES
Did he order something that was unavailable at this place?
YES
Was he misbehaving?
NO
Had she recognized the man?
NO
When the waitress asked the man to leave, was she following the owner's request? Had someone complained about him? relevant?
NO TO THOSE
To clarify, "amazed" here means "positively surprised"?
YES
Was he genuinely planning to eat at this place? Or drink?
YES
When the waitress asked him to leave, had it something to do with the order? Relevant what he ordered?
YES, YES
Did he order something that was unavailable at this place?
YES
Was he misbehaving?
NO
Had she recognized the man?
NO
When the waitress asked the man to leave, was she following the owner's request? Had someone complained about him? relevant?
NO TO THOSE
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 6:42 pmWas the relevant item he ordered: food? Drink?
Was it generally unavailable at this place? Was it out of stock?
Was it something illegal?
Was he told to go to a specific different Restaurant?
Was it generally unavailable at this place? Was it out of stock?
Was it something illegal?
Was he told to go to a specific different Restaurant?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 10:21 pmBitter,
Was the relevant item he ordered: food? Drink?
YES, NO
Was it generally unavailable at this place? Was it out of stock?
YES
Was it something illegal?
NO
Was he told to go to a specific different Restaurant?
NO
Was the relevant item he ordered: food? Drink?
YES, NO
Was it generally unavailable at this place? Was it out of stock?
YES
Was it something illegal?
NO
Was he told to go to a specific different Restaurant?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 4:04 amWas it an eating place on its own? Or was it part of another place (e.g. a restaurant in a hotel)?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 7:44 amMother,
Was it an eating place on its own? Or was it part of another place (e.g. a restaurant in a hotel)?
Irrelevant. Could be either.
Was it an eating place on its own? Or was it part of another place (e.g. a restaurant in a hotel)?
Irrelevant. Could be either.
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:05 amWas it generally unavailable at this place? Was it out of stock?
YES
This is one answer for two questions, maybe I'll rephrase the question(s):
Was the ordered item unavailable only at the moment?
Or was it generally not served at this restaurant?
Was the ordered item a specialty of the city or region?
Was the man a local? a tourist? a restaurant tester? travelling for business?
Was the man mistaken on something?
YES
This is one answer for two questions, maybe I'll rephrase the question(s):
Was the ordered item unavailable only at the moment?
Or was it generally not served at this restaurant?
Was the ordered item a specialty of the city or region?
Was the man a local? a tourist? a restaurant tester? travelling for business?
Was the man mistaken on something?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:27 amRelevant what kind of eating place it was? A restaurant? A bar? A cafe? A diner? Any other type of place? Can we give the characters names?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 9:13 pmThis is one answer for two questions, maybe I'll rephrase the question(s):
Was the ordered item unavailable only at the moment?
Irrelevant
Or was it generally not served at this restaurant?
IRRELEVANT
Was the ordered item a specialty of the city or region?
No
Was the man a local? a tourist? a restaurant tester? travelling for business?
Does not matter
Was the man mistaken on something
Yes
Was the ordered item unavailable only at the moment?
Irrelevant
Or was it generally not served at this restaurant?
IRRELEVANT
Was the ordered item a specialty of the city or region?
No
Was the man a local? a tourist? a restaurant tester? travelling for business?
Does not matter
Was the man mistaken on something
Yes
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 9:15 pmMother,
A restaurant.
Sure, Harry and Meghan.
A restaurant.
Sure, Harry and Meghan.
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:24 amDid Meghan know Harry before this encounter? Was Harry at the restaurant alone? Was he accompanied by one person? By more than one person? Did Harry look like a specific other person? Is the continent where the story happens relevant? Country relevant? Did Harry order something else besides the unavailable dish?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:08 amHad Harry suffered from a hearing loss before, so he was amazed to hear anything?
Do we need to know more about the Restaurant? Harry? Meghan? The particular dish? The Time of day? Season?
Is any difference in languages spoken relevant?
Do we need to know more about the Restaurant? Harry? Meghan? The particular dish? The Time of day? Season?
Is any difference in languages spoken relevant?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:23 amMother,
Did Meghan know Harry before this encounter?
No
Was Harry at the restaurant alone?
Yes
Was he accompanied by one person? By more than one person?
No
Did Harry look like a specific other person?
No
Is the continent where the story happens relevant?
Country relevant?
Uk say
Did Harry order something else besides the unavailable dish?
Yes but not relevant
Did Meghan know Harry before this encounter?
No
Was Harry at the restaurant alone?
Yes
Was he accompanied by one person? By more than one person?
No
Did Harry look like a specific other person?
No
Is the continent where the story happens relevant?
Country relevant?
Uk say
Did Harry order something else besides the unavailable dish?
Yes but not relevant
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:08 amBitter,
Had Harry suffered from a hearing loss before, so he was amazed to hear anything?
No
Do we need to know more about the Restaurant? Harry? Meghan?
No
The particular dish?
Yes
The Time of day? Season?
No
Had Harry suffered from a hearing loss before, so he was amazed to hear anything?
No
Do we need to know more about the Restaurant? Harry? Meghan?
No
The particular dish?
Yes
The Time of day? Season?
No
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:14 amBitter,
Is any difference in languages spoken relevant?
Yes
Is any difference in languages spoken relevant?
Yes
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:29 amDid Meghan speak a different language than Harry? Did one of them speak English? Was one of them an English native speaker? Did Meghan think that Harry looks like s.o. she knows?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:38 amDid Harry leave the restaurant without eating in the end? Did Meghan really mean to ask Harry to leave?
Is there a dish named "Please leave this place" or something like that in another language?
Is the joke "Could you recommend something?" - "Yes, a different restaurant!" relevant?
Is there a dish named "Please leave this place" or something like that in another language?
Is the joke "Could you recommend something?" - "Yes, a different restaurant!" relevant?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:20 pmDid he mispronounce the item from the menu?
"Quiche"/"quickie" joke?
"Quiche"/"quickie" joke?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:05 pmMother,
Did Meghan speak a different language than Harry?
NO
Did one of them speak English?
YES - BOTH
Was one of them an English native speaker?
YES
Did Meghan think that Harry looks like s.o. she knows?
NO
Did Meghan speak a different language than Harry?
NO
Did one of them speak English?
YES - BOTH
Was one of them an English native speaker?
YES
Did Meghan think that Harry looks like s.o. she knows?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:07 pmBITTER,
Did Harry leave the restaurant without eating in the end? Did Meghan really mean to ask Harry to leave?
NO, NO
Is there a dish named "Please leave this place" or something like that in another language?
NO
Is the joke "Could you recommend something?" - "Yes, a different restaurant!" relevant?
NO
Did Harry leave the restaurant without eating in the end? Did Meghan really mean to ask Harry to leave?
NO, NO
Is there a dish named "Please leave this place" or something like that in another language?
NO
Is the joke "Could you recommend something?" - "Yes, a different restaurant!" relevant?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:08 pmBALIN,
Did he mispronounce the item from the menu?
NO BUT GETTING WARMER
"Quiche"/"quickie" joke?
NO
Did he mispronounce the item from the menu?
NO BUT GETTING WARMER
"Quiche"/"quickie" joke?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2025 11:35 pmIs Harry's first language English? Is Meg's?
Are regional dialects relevant? Or simply regionalisms? Is one of them making a pun? If so, is it Meg?
Is it relevant that "leaves" can also mean salad greens?
Did Harry ask for bamboo shoots?
Are regional dialects relevant? Or simply regionalisms? Is one of them making a pun? If so, is it Meg?
Is it relevant that "leaves" can also mean salad greens?
Did Harry ask for bamboo shoots?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 10:12 amWas the ordered dish in question: Meat? Fish? Pasta? Potatoes? Soup? Salad? Vegetables? Dessert?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 12:42 pmTrebor,
Is Harry's first language English? Is Meg's?
YES
Are regional dialects relevant? Or simply regionalisms?
NO
Is one of them making a pun?
CLOSE BUT NOT EXACTLY
If so, is it Meg?
YES
Is it relevant that "leaves" can also mean salad greens?
NO
Did Harry ask for bamboo shoots?
NO
Is Harry's first language English? Is Meg's?
YES
Are regional dialects relevant? Or simply regionalisms?
NO
Is one of them making a pun?
CLOSE BUT NOT EXACTLY
If so, is it Meg?
YES
Is it relevant that "leaves" can also mean salad greens?
NO
Did Harry ask for bamboo shoots?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 12:43 pmBITTER,
Was the ordered dish in question: Meat? Fish? Pasta? Potatoes? Soup? Salad? Vegetables? Dessert?
VEGETABLE
Was the ordered dish in question: Meat? Fish? Pasta? Potatoes? Soup? Salad? Vegetables? Dessert?
VEGETABLE
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 1:28 pmAre homophones relevant? Peas/Peace?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2025 3:10 pmBitter,
Are homophones relevant? Peas/Peace?
NO
Are homophones relevant? Peas/Peace?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 8:07 amIs it relevant which vegetable exactly Harry ordered? Could this also have happened in another English-speaking country? Is the vegetable in question commonly considered a vegetable, i.e. everyone knows that this is a vegetable? Was he amazed because the joke was funny? Because he considered it funny? Because he liked it? Did he get this vegetable in the end?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 8:55 amMother,
Is it relevant which vegetable exactly Harry ordered?
YES
Could this also have happened in another English-speaking country?
I THINK SO
Is the vegetable in question commonly considered a vegetable, i.e. everyone knows that this is a vegetable?
YES
Was he amazed because the joke was funny?
NO - NO JOKE INVOLVED.
Because he considered it funny?
NO
Because he liked it?
NO
Did he get this vegetable in the end?
NO
Is it relevant which vegetable exactly Harry ordered?
YES
Could this also have happened in another English-speaking country?
I THINK SO
Is the vegetable in question commonly considered a vegetable, i.e. everyone knows that this is a vegetable?
YES
Was he amazed because the joke was funny?
NO - NO JOKE INVOLVED.
Because he considered it funny?
NO
Because he liked it?
NO
Did he get this vegetable in the end?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:08 amSo, what we have is:
So, are 2. and 3. the same sentence? Or different sentences?
Did Harry say something relevant besides ordering the vegetable?
- 1. Harry ordered a particular vegetable
2. Meghan told Harry that this vegetable is not available
3. Meghan said something that could be interpreted as "please leave this restaurant".
So, are 2. and 3. the same sentence? Or different sentences?
Did Harry say something relevant besides ordering the vegetable?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:54 amBitter,
So, what we have is:
1. Harry ordered a particular vegetable
2. Meghan told Harry that this vegetable is not available
3. Meghan said something that could be interpreted as "please leave this restaurant".
EXACTLY
So, are 2. and 3. the same sentence? Or different sentences?
SAME
Did Harry say something relevant besides ordering the vegetable?
NO
So, what we have is:
1. Harry ordered a particular vegetable
2. Meghan told Harry that this vegetable is not available
3. Meghan said something that could be interpreted as "please leave this restaurant".
EXACTLY
So, are 2. and 3. the same sentence? Or different sentences?
SAME
Did Harry say something relevant besides ordering the vegetable?
NO
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 10:13 amSo both were speaking English?
But a different language is also relevant?
Could Meghan saying something along "We don't have this vegetable" be interpreted as "Please leave" in a foreign language?
Are speech impediments or unusual pronunciations relevant?
But a different language is also relevant?
Could Meghan saying something along "We don't have this vegetable" be interpreted as "Please leave" in a foreign language?
Are speech impediments or unusual pronunciations relevant?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 11:48 am"Mange tout" -> "Man, get out"?
Something like "do you have any 'man get out'?" "No, I don't have any, man, get out."?
Something like "do you have any 'man get out'?" "No, I don't have any, man, get out."?
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 3:18 pmBalin and Bitter and Mother,
Balin got it.
* * * SPOILER * * *
The man asked the waitress for snap peas. She did not know what they were so she asked the cook. He had laryngitis so he wrote down, We do not have any mange tout.
His writing was bad so she read it out as
We do not have any man. Get out!
Balin got it.
* * * SPOILER * * *
The man asked the waitress for snap peas. She did not know what they were so she asked the cook. He had laryngitis so he wrote down, We do not have any mange tout.
His writing was bad so she read it out as
We do not have any man. Get out!
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:09 amYou still learn something on this Forum. I‘ve never heard of a vegetable named mangetout, even if this name is also used in German (less common, but still). Thank you for this Puzzle.
Re: [Admin] The Unhappy Diner
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 8:42 amIt is called mange tout because you eat all of the pea and shell.