[GalFisk] Sorry

[GalFisk]

"I would like to apologize to you and your colleagues for the behaviour of myself and of people like me."

Why?

[Sundowner64]

colleagues = co-workers in an organization? people working in the same field? having the same profession? having the same education?
people like me = people of the same profession? from the same country? showing the same behavior?
behavior = something done accidentally? intentionally? with a particular purpose?
Did the behavior harm anybody?
Did the one who showed this behavior already at that moment take into account that he would later need to apologize for it?
Did he do whatever he did in professional context?
The one who apologizes: H/A/M? same questions for the "people like him"?
The time between the behavior and the apology: minutes? hours? days? weeks? years? decades? centuries?

[GalFisk]

colleagues = co-workers in an organization? people working in the same field? having the same profession? either of the above works. having the same education? probably not.
people like me = people of the same profession? from the same country? showing the same behavior? This.
behavior = something done accidentally? intentionally? could neither. with a particular purpose? Noish.
Did the behavior harm anybody? Yes.
Did the one who showed this behavior already at that moment take into account that he would later need to apologize for it? No.
Did he do whatever he did in professional context? No.
The one who apologizes: H/A/M? Yes.same questions for the "people like him"? H, mostly A, mixed
The time between the behavior and the apology: minutes? hours? days? weeks? years? probably this,
but also FA. decades? centuries?

[Sundowner64]

I = you, GalFisk?
The people the person is apologizing to: a large organization or company? like: railway company? bus company? post? police? army? government institution? telecom provider? internet provider?
Is the behavior ongoing still today? could it easily be stopped?
Did the behavior occur in the past but the effects of it are ongoing? the effects become visible only today?
Did the effects of the behavior accumulate over the years?
Sports relevant? Skydiving, in particular?

[GalFisk]

I = you, GalFisk? Yes, but irr.
The people the person is apologizing to: a large organization or company? Yes, more than one. like: railway company? bus company? post? police? army? government institution? telecom provider? internet provider? No to all.
Is the behavior ongoing still today? could it easily be stopped? Yes to both.
Did the behavior occur in the past Partially. but the effects of it are ongoing? Yes. the effects become visible only today? No.
Did the effects of the behavior accumulate over the years? Yes.
Sports relevant? Skydiving, in particular? No to both.

[Sundowner64]

Did you buy something from these companies? did you work for them? interact with them in some other way? Do they know your name?
Did your behavior cause them inconvenience? extra work? financial loss? loss in reputation? annoyance?
Did you realize only now that your behavior has this consequences?
Did the company make you aware? someone else?

[GalFisk]

Did you buy something from these companies? Yes. did you work for them? interact with them in some other way? Do they know your name? No to all.
Did your behavior cause them inconvenience? extra work? Yesish. financial loss? loss in reputation? No to both. annoyance? Possibly.
Did you realize only now that your behavior has this consequences? Noish.
Did the company make you aware? someone else? No to both.

[Sundowner64]

Does your behavior have to do with the items you bought? Do they all belong to the same group of items? like: food? drinks? household goods? books? electrical devices? machinery? computers? phones? artwork? something intangible?
Did you buy the items online? via phone? did you go to the shop? are the shop(s) located in your home region? in your neighborhood?
Is the process of purchasing relevant? needing long time for selecting? asking a lot of questions? checking in a lot of stores before buying?
Returning items relevant? Reviews? Complaints?

[GalFisk]

Does your behavior have to do with the items you bought? Hard to say. Do they all belong to the same group of items? Yes. like: food? drinks? household goods? All of the above. books? electrical devices? machinery? computers? phones? artwork? something intangible?No to the rest.
Did you buy the items online? via phone? No to both. Did you go to the shop? are the shop(s) located in your home region? in your neighborhood? Yes to all.
Is the process of purchasing relevant? needing long time for selecting? asking a lot of questions? checking in a lot of stores before buying? No to all.
Returning items relevant? Reviews? Complaints? No to all.

[Sundowner64]

Does the relevant behavior occur: before you enter the shop? while you're in the shop? while selecting the items to buy? while queuing up for checkout? while paying? after paying but before you leave the shop? after you left the shop?
Does the behavior involve interacting with the shop staff? asking a question? requesting help?
Paying cash vs credit card relevant?

[GalFisk]

Does the relevant behavior occur: before you enter the shop? This. while you're in the shop? while selecting the items to buy? while queuing up for checkout? These are somewhat relevant. while paying? after paying but before you leave the shop? after you left the shop? No to the rest.
Does the behavior involve interacting with the shop staff? Yope. asking a question? requesting help? No to both.
Paying cash vs credit card relevant? No.

[Sundowner64]

Does the behavior involve doing something? relevantly not doing something? not preparing or bringing something?
Do you relevantly talk to the shop staff? complain?
Do you cause the shop staff extra work? if so: does the extra work occur after you left the shop?
Do you take cardboard boxes from the shelf to carry your things because you once again forgot to bring a bag with you (like me)?

[GalFisk]

Does the behavior involve doing something? relevantly not doing something? First not doing something, then doing something. not preparing or bringing something? No.
Do you relevantly talk to the shop staff? complain? Irr.
Do you cause the shop staff extra work?DOYD of "extra", but OTRT. if so: does the extra work occur after you left the shop?Yesish/hard to answer.
Do you take cardboard boxes from the shelf to carry your things because you once again forgot to bring a bag with you (like me)? No.

[Sundowner64]

Does the staff's extra work include: cleaning up after you? putting things back into the right place? restocking the shelf?
Did you enter the shop in dirty shoes?

[GalFisk]

Does the staff's extra work include: cleaning up after you? putting things back into the right place? restocking the shelf? No to all.
Did you enter the shop in dirty shoes? No.

[Sundowner64]

Do you enter the shop with the intention to buy something? with a clear intention what to buy? do you eventually buy something? the items you intended to buy?
Is the thing you're not doing something that would happen before entering the shop, if you did it? while on the way to the shop? before you set out to go to the shop? If you did it, would that make your shop visit faster? smoother? more efficient? would you buy more? less? different items? pay more attention to quality? to price? to some other attribute of the item?
Is the shop usually crowded when this situation comes up? do you have to wait some time in the queue at checkout? other customers relevant?

[GalFisk]

Do you enter the shop with the intention to buy something? with a clear intention what to buy? do you eventually buy something? Yes to all. the items you intended to buy? Normally, but irr.
Is the thing you're not doing something that would happen before entering the shop, if you did it? while on the way to the shop?No. before you set out to go to the shop?Hard to answer, but OTRT. Rephrase. If you did it, would that make your shop visit faster? DOYD of "faster". smoother? more efficient? would you buy more? less? different items? pay more attention to quality? to price? to some other attribute of the item? No/irr to all.
Is the shop usually crowded when this situation comes up? No. do you have to wait some time in the queue at checkout? Irr. other customers relevant? No, except that there are other customers who do this too.

[Sundowner64]

Is it always the same shop? a shop in your neighborhood? or could it be any shop depending on where you are at the moment?
Do you select which shop to go to before you depart? if so: the closest one? one particular brand or chain? or is it rather that you come by a shop and decide to get in? Relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is it always the same shop? No. a shop in your neighborhood? Yes. or could it be any shop depending on where you are at the moment? It has little effect unless I and others do it often.
Do you select which shop to go to before you depart? Yes. if so: the closest one? one particular brand or chain? either one works. or is it rather that you come by a shop and decide to get in? No. Relevant? Yes.

[BalinTheDwarf]

Is the behavior for which you apologize something that takes place in or around the shop?
(haven't asked this in a while) Skydiving relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is the behavior for which you apologize something that takes place in or around the shop? Noish.
(haven't asked this in a while) Skydiving relevant? Haha, no.

[JenBurdoo1]

Is it asking a relevant question to staff, or otherwise saying something - a joke, a catchphrase, etc? Is it something that the store staff are annoyed by? Angry about? Amused? Bored? Something they would write in to Not Always Right about? Is planning your visit relevant? Could the issue be fixed by preplanning, or calling ahead to the store?

Shopping carts or baskets relevant? Store layout? Parking?

[GalFisk]

Is it asking a relevant question to staff, or otherwise saying something - a joke, a catchphrase, etc? No. Is it something that the store staff are annoyed by? Possibly. Angry about? Not likely. Amused? Bored? Something they would write in to Not Always Right about? No to all. Is planning your visit relevant? Yesish, DOYD of "planning". Could the issue be fixed by preplanning, Same yesish. or calling ahead to the store? No.

Shopping carts or baskets relevant? Store layout? Parking? No to all.

[BalinTheDwarf]

Is your method of travel to the shop relevant? Do you walk? Cycle? Drive? Take public transport?

[GalFisk]

Is your method of travel to the shop relevant? No. Do you walk? Cycle? Drive? Take public transport? Irr, but I often cycle.

[BalinTheDwarf]

Do you stay at the shop long? Do you typically buy something every time you go there? Do you go alone? With another person? With an animal? With a relevant thing?

[GalFisk]

Do you stay at the shop long? No. Do you typically buy something every time you go there? Yes. Do you go alone? With another person? Either works. With an animal? With a relevant thing? No to both.

[Sundowner64]

Does the relevant behavior take place at home? before you leave for the shop? but it has effects on the shop staff?
Could the same happen when you buy the same things online from the same shop (provided they offer this opportunity)? when you order by phone? when you send someone else to the shop with a list what to buy?

[GalFisk]

Does the relevant behavior take place at home? before you leave for the shop? but it has effects on the shop staff? Yes to all.
Could the same happen when you buy the same things online from the same shop (provided they offer this opportunity)? when you order by phone? No to both. when you send someone else to the shop with a list what to buy? Conceivably, but then it would probably be independent of whether I do it.

[Sundowner64]

Relevant what items you buy? more than one item usually? a small number of items? a large number? items from all different parts of the store?
Quantities relevant? Large quantities? small quantities?
Special offers/discounts relevant?
Relevant at which time you enter the store?

[GalFisk]

Relevant what items you buy? No. more than one item usually? Yes, but irr. a small number of items? a large number? items from all different parts of the store? All irr.
Quantities relevant? Large quantities? small quantities? Also irr.
Special offers/discounts relevant? No.
Relevant at which time you enter the store? Yes.

[doriana_]

Do you enter the store as soon as it opens? right before it closes? when it's particularly busy? or particularly quiet? Day of the week relevant?
Do you go to the store from your home? on your way to work? on your way home from work? in combination with other errands?

[GalFisk]

Do you enter the store as soon as it opens? right before it closes? Within the last hour, which is relevant, but I leave before they close.when it's particularly busy? or particularly quiet? Day of the week relevant? No.
Do you go to the store from your home? This. on your way to work? No. on your way home from work? No. in combination with other errands? Possibly, irr.

[doriana_]

Is it relevant at what time the shop closes exactly?

[GalFisk]

Is it relevant at what time the shop closes exactly? No, but OTRT.

[doriana_]

Does the shop have any relevant deals or discounts during the last hour?
Is it relevantly dark outside when you go to the shop?
Are any items that you bring with you to the shop relevant?

[GalFisk]

Does the shop have any relevant deals or discounts during the last hour? No.
Is it relevantly dark outside when you go to the shop? Irr. It never gets dark out around here during midsummer.
Are any items that you bring with you to the shop relevant? No.

[doriana_]

Is it relevant how long it takes you to go to the store? How much time you spend in the store?
Shopping lists relevant?

[GalFisk]

Is it relevant how long it takes you to go to the store? Broadly, yes.How much time you spend in the store? Yes.
Shopping lists relevant? No.

[doriana_]

Do you spend more time getting to the store than you actually spend inside the store?
Do you typically spend less than 10 minutes at the store? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60?
Closing announcements relevant?

[GalFisk]

Do you spend more time getting to the store than you actually spend inside the store? Probably not.
Do you typically spend less than 10 minutes at the store? 11-20? 5-20 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60?
Closing announcements relevant? No.

[Sundowner64]

Are you causing extra work or annoyance for the shop staff only because you show up during the last hour before closing? would this not be there when you would do your shopping earlier? or just not be so annoying?
Does anyone who shows up during the last hour cause the same annoyance and/or extra work for the staff?
Is the annoyance that the staff needs to work longer to get everything cleaned up after the last customer? (and probably for the same money) or that they get home later?
Midsummer celebrations relevant?

[GalFisk]

Are you causing extra work or annoyance for the shop staff only because you show up during the last hour before closing? Yes, indirectly. would this not be there when you would do your shopping earlier? Correct. or just not be so annoying?
Does anyone who shows up during the last hour cause the same annoyance and/or extra work for the staff? Yes.
Is the annoyance that the staff needs to work longer to get everything cleaned up after the last customer? No. (and probably for the same money) or that they get home later? DOYD of "later", but essentially this. Working past closing due to having customers to the last minute is not relevant though. And hopefully they do get paid for all the time they work - the behavior does not cause unpaid work.
Midsummer celebrations relevant? No.

[doriana_]

Is it relevant why you go shopping late? Do you want to finish some other activity first? If so, does this activitiy always take place at the same time? E.g. you always watch the evening news on TV and only go to the store afterwards?

[GalFisk]

Is it relevant why you go shopping late? Yes. Do you want to finish some other activity first? If so, does this activitiy always take place at the same time? E.g. you always watch the evening news on TV and only go to the store afterwards? No to all.

[doriana_]

Do you go shopping late because you work late? because the store will be less crowded? because there will be less traffic on the way to and from the store?

[GalFisk]

Do you go shopping late because you work late? because the store will be less crowded? because there will be less traffic on the way to and from the store? No to all.

[doriana_]

Is the reason you go shopping late related to the store itself? to getting there? to your daily routine?
If the store closed an hour later, would you also go shopping an hour later?

[GalFisk]

Is the reason you go shopping late related to the store itself? to getting there? to your daily routine? Thisish.
If the store closed an hour later, would you also go shopping an hour later? Yes. Explore.

[doriana_]

Would you go shopping in the last hour no matter when the store closed?
Relevant what you do after shopping?

[GalFisk]

Would you go shopping in the last hour no matter when the store closed? Yes. This is the behavior for which I'm apologizing. Why?
Relevant what you do after shopping? No.

[doriana_]

Hm, I feel like I'm going in circles here.

So, you always go shopping within the last hour before the store closes and this is the behaviour you apologize for. It is relevant why you go shopping late, but it has nothing to do with the store being crowded or there being traffic. You (and others) going to the store late yesishly causes extra work for the staff. Correct so far? Could we get a hint?

[GalFisk]

Hm, I feel like I'm going in circles here.

So, you always go shopping within the last hour before the store closes and this is the behaviour you apologize for. Yes. It is relevant why you go shopping late The relevant thing is that it's during the last hour, no matter when that hour is. Consider this bit solved., but it has nothing to do with the store being crowded or there being traffic.See previous answer. You (and others) going to the store late yesishly causes extra work for the staff. Correct so far? Mostly, see above Could we get a hint? There is another relevant group besides us procrastinators and the store employees.

[doriana_]

Does the other group consist of people the procrastinators know personally? people the employees know personally? people who also frequent the store? suppliers? cleaners?

[GalFisk]

Does the other group consist of people the procrastinators know personally? No. people the employees know personally? Possibly. people who also frequent the store? I don't know if they do. suppliers? cleaners? No to both.

[Sundowner64]

Do you apologize to the other group as well? Do they also have inconvenience do to your procrastination? or do they in the end cause the inconvenience for the shop employees? or contribute to it? unwillingly?
Is the other group related to the shop? Are they defined by their profession? by the place where they live?
Legal regulations relevant?

[GalFisk]

Do you apologize to the other group as well? No. Do they also have inconvenience do to your procrastination? Possibly. or do they in the end cause the inconvenience for the shop employees? Yes. or contribute to it? "Cause" is more accurate. unwillingly? No.
Is the other group related to the shop? Yes. Are they defined by their profession? Yes. by the place where they live? No.
Legal regulations relevant? No.

[Sundowner64]

Are the other group: security staff? cleaning/housekeeping people? cash transporters? food bank/charity organizations? garbage collection?
Do they need longer to do their job? do they prevent the shop staff from going home? slow down their departure? parking space or blocked roads relevant?
Does this happen when more customers are in the store in the last hour? when more is sold in the last hour? when more sales transactions take place in the last hour? more cash sales?

[GalFisk]

Are the other group: security staff? cleaning/housekeeping people? cash transporters? food bank/charity organizations? garbage collection? No to all.
Do they need longer to do their job? No. do they prevent the shop staff from going home? Yes. slow down their departure? parking space or blocked roads relevant? No to both.
Does this happen when more customers are in the store in the last hour? No. when more is sold in the last hour? when more sales transactions take place in the last hour? more cash sales? Yope to all, explore.

[doriana_]

Counting cash / balancing the cash drawer relevant? Change relevant?

[GalFisk]

Counting cash / balancing the cash drawer relevant? Change relevant? No to both.

[doriana_]

Does the other group ever interact with the shop staff? with the customers?

[GalFisk]

Does the other group ever interact with the shop staff? Yes. with the customers? yope, DOYD of "interact".

[doriana_]

DOYD interact: Do the customers see the other group? hear the other group? perceive them with any of their other senses? Does the other group see the customers? hear them? perceive them with any of their other senses?
Does the group interact with the shop staff in person? over the phone? online? in written communication?

[GalFisk]

DOYD interact: Do the customers see the other group? hear the other group? perceive them with any of their other senses? Probably not. Does the other group see the customers? hear them? perceive them with any of their other senses? Possibly see and hear, maybe indirectly.
Does the group interact with the shop staff in person? over the phone? online? in written communication? Probably yes to all.

[doriana_]

Relevant how many people are in the other group? If so, less than 10? less than 50? less than 100? more than that?

[GalFisk]

Relevant how many people are in the other group? If so, less than 10? less than 50? less than 100? more than that? I don't know how many are involved in causing the issue, and it may vary from store to store. Probably 1-50.

[doriana_]

The group is defined by their shared profession, correct? Does their profession have to do with food? supermarkets? sales? money? transportation?
Do they interact with the supermarket staff in their professional capacity?

[GalFisk]

The group is defined by their shared profession, correct? Yes. Does their profession have to do with food? supermarkets? This. sales? Probably. money? And this. transportation?
Do they interact with the supermarket staff in their professional capacity? Yes.

[Biograd1]

Do they deliver food to the supermarket? are they employed by the same company that owns the supermarket, but are not staff at that particular store?

[Sundowner64]

Do they handle cash? deliver cash to the store? collect cash from there? count it? check for forged money?

[GalFisk]

Do they deliver food to the supermarket? No. are they employed by the same company that owns the supermarket, but are not staff at that particular store? Employed, yes. Whether they work at the store or somewhere else differs, I believe.

Do they handle cash? deliver cash to the store? collect cash from there? count it? check for forged money? Could be, but if so it's a minor and not puzzle-relevant part of their job.

[Sundowner64]

If these people are not working at the same store, would they then work at some different store? in the company's headquarter? in home office?
Would they come to this store as part of their job? every day around the time when the shop closes?
Is their presence required for the shop to close? Would they do their work before the shop closes? when the shop closes? after it closed?

[GalFisk]

If these people are not working at the same store, would they then work at some different store? in the company's headquarter? This. in home office?
Would they come to this store as part of their job? Probably. every day around the time when the shop closes? No.
Is their presence required for the shop to close? No. Would they do their work before the shop closes? Probably this. when the shop closes? after it closed? Unlikely.

[trebor2]

Just so I'm clear and up to speed, the relevant [type of] store is a supermarket/grocery store, right? Like, this wouldn't work with an office supply store, or clothing store, or whatever?

Is the third relevant group the supervisors of the other employees? Management? The owner(s)? Employees with the same position, but working a different shift? Perhaps the opening shift? The middle shift? Does the third group work in a relevant department of the supermarket?

Do you go in the last hour because products are more picked over, so you don't spend as much time deciding between things? Or maybe stores near you re-stock a little bit earlier than that so that they're ready for the next day, and you go then knowing that will have happened? Is the reason that you go in the last hour related to the store? The availability of whatever you want to purchase? Something to do with your home life? Work life?

Weird thought, but hygiene relevant? Do you like to make going to the store the last thing you do before taking off your day-clothes and settling into pjs or sweats or whatever? Or right before going to bed? Before taking a shower? Anything like that?

[GalFisk]

Just so I'm clear and up to speed, the relevant [type of] store is a supermarket/grocery store, right? Correct. Like, this wouldn't work with an office supply store, or clothing store, or whatever? Not impossible, but they're a lot less susceptible to this.

Is the third relevant group the supervisors of the other employees? Management? The owner(s)? Management or owners. Employees with the same position, but working a different shift? Perhaps the opening shift? The middle shift? Does the third group work in a relevant department of the supermarket?

Do you go in the last hour because products are more picked over, so you don't spend as much time deciding between things? Or maybe stores near you re-stock a little bit earlier than that so that they're ready for the next day, and you go then knowing that will have happened? Is the reason that you go in the last hour related to the store? The availability of whatever you want to purchase? Something to do with your home life? Work life? The reason is irrelevant, what's relevant is that I always go in the last hour, regardless of their opening hours.

Weird thought, but hygiene relevant? Do you like to make going to the store the last thing you do before taking off your day-clothes and settling into pjs or sweats or whatever? Or right before going to bed? Before taking a shower? Anything like that? No to all.

[Sundowner64]

Does the management come to the store? Do they have some necessary interactions with the staff? Do these interactions start as soon as the employees have time for it? as soon as the last customer left? as soon as the store closed? as soon as the cash register was closed and the money counted?
Is it an after work party?

[GalFisk]

Does the management come to the store? Probably. Do they have some necessary interactions with the staff? No specific interaction is relevant, assume they do normal management stuff. Do these interactions start as soon as the employees have time for it? as soon as the last customer left? as soon as the store closed? as soon as the cash register was closed and the money counted? All irr.
Is it an after work party? No.

[Sundowner64]

Does you (and other people) coming in for shopping in the last hour mean that the store staff can leave the store only later? all of them? some of them? only the management? Do they (the relevant group) leave the store after the store has closed? immediately when the store closes? within 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? more?
Provided no customer at all would enter the store in the last hour: would this make a difference? would they then leave earlier? still after the store has closed? even before? would they close earlier?
Same questions provided you and all the customers show up as usual but the store management would not be present?

[GalFisk]

Does you (and other people) coming in for shopping in the last hour mean that the store staff can leave the store only later? all of them? some of them? only the management? Do they (the relevant group) leave the store after the store has closed? immediately when the store closes? within 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? more?
Provided no customer at all would enter the store in the last hour: would this make a difference? would they then leave earlier? still after the store has closed? even before? would they close earlier? This is close enough, see below.
Same questions provided you and all the customers show up as usual but the store management would not be present?
SPOILER: the management keeps increasing the opening hours. Since I come in during the last hour, even after the increase, I make it seem to management like the increase in opening hours was justified. That's not true though, I'm simply a procrastinator when it comes to food shopping, and if they closed earlier I'd have no problem with going earlier.
Thanks for playing!

[Sundowner64]

But maybe the store workers also appreciate to work later in the day (and possibly earn more).
Good puzzle.