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by **BalinTheDwarf** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:54 pm

In 2019, an organization in Connecticut replaced a natural food product with a non-natural food product. However, people across the dietary spectrum agree that they have an understandable, valid reason for doing so. What did they do and why?

EDIT: Changed the words "organic" / "non-organic" in the puzzle statement to "natural" / "non-natural", as I have learned there are organic and non-organic versions of both of these food products.

by **trebor2** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:13 pm

Did they replace it with the same type of product? (ie, they didn't replace like beef in their burgers with pork or something.)

Does it matter what the product was? If so, was it meat? Another animal product? Veg? Fruit? Grain?

Is the organization a profit-making organization? Not-for-profit? Are they a grocery store? Restaurant? Food bank? Lunch program? Company that supplies product to grocery stores/restaurants/etc.?

Was their reason for doing so related to cost-cutting? Health? Availability? Environmental impact? The fact that (as far as I know) organic is just a label that can be slapped on things and often doesn't mean anything?

by **Biograd1** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:48 pm

Did the organization (I noticed you didn't say "store", "restaurant", or "business") change the food product they served to their own members (such as in a cafeteria)? or is the organization involved in providing free/low cost food to the public (such as a community food pantry, soup kitchen, etc.)? Alternatively, are they some type of cooperative involved in growing/producing food? Is the food intended for humans at all (as opposed to animal feed)?

Is the non-organic food product something that could be made organically (as opposed to containing some type of man-made ingredient that could never be organic)?

by **GalFisk** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:28 am

Organic as in made without artificial fertilizers, pesticides, or antibiotics for growth? Organic as in part of or produced by a living organism? Did the change improve some aspect of the product? Such as taste? Nutrition? Safety? Looks? Ethics? Religious requirements? Dietary requirements? Allergy considerations?

by **Sundowner64** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:19 am

Was the organic product added as a new product before? or did it replace a similar non-organic product? if so: did customers demand to move back to the non-organic product that was there before? because they liked it more?
Does the organization manufacture the product themselves? or do they buy and resell (or supply for free)? if buy: do they get the non-organic product from the same supplier? or did they have to switch suppliers for some reason? and the new supplier does not have the organic product in stock?
Does the organization supply food according to specific dietary rules? kosher food?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:51 pm

After a bit of checking I've changed "organic" and "non-organic" in the puzzle statement to "natural" / "non-natural." I have also made the changes to those words in the questions asked and have answered accordingly.

Did they replace it with the same type of product? No (ie, they didn't replace like beef in their burgers with pork or something.) It was nothing like this, correct

Does it matter what the product was? Yes If so, was it meat? One of them Another animal product? Veg? Fruit? Grain? No to rest for the other one

Is the organization a profit-making organization? Yes Not-for-profit?
Are they a grocery store? Restaurant? Food bank? Lunch program? Company that supplies product to grocery stores/restaurants/etc.? None of these

Was their reason for doing so related to cost-cutting? Health? This, No to rest Availability? Environmental impact? The fact that (as far as I know) organic is just a label that can be slapped on things and often doesn't mean anything? (I left "organic" alone in this question but the same -- not related to their reasoning -- applies to the word "natural.")

Did the organization (I noticed you didn't say "store", "restaurant", or "business") Well-spotted change the food product they served to their own members (such as in a cafeteria)? No or is the organization involved in providing free/low cost food to the public (such as a community food pantry, soup kitchen, etc.)? No Alternatively, are they some type of cooperative involved in growing/producing food? No Is the food intended for humans at all (as opposed to animal feed)? They are foods humans eat, Yes

Is the non-natural food product something that could be made naturally (as opposed to containing some type of man-made ingredient that could never be natural)? ...No, in that it doesn't occur on its own and has to be (for lack of a better word) crafted

Organic as in made without artificial fertilizers, pesticides, or antibiotics for growth? Organic as in part of or produced by a living organism? See edit at the top of this set of answers -- the "natural" refers to "occurring in nature without human production or interference
Did the change improve some aspect of the product? No Such as taste? Nutrition? Safety? Looks? Ethics? Religious requirements? Dietary requirements? Allergy considerations?

Was the natural product added as a new product before? No or did it replace a similar non-natural product? No if so: did customers demand to move back to the non-natural product that was there before? because they liked it more?
Does the organization manufacture the product themselves? or do they buy and resell (or supply for free)? This
if buy: do they get the non-natural product from the same supplier? No but Irrel or did they have to switch suppliers for some reason? Irrel and the new supplier does not have the natural product in stock? Irrel
Does the organization supply food according to specific dietary rules? Noish kosher food? I don't think so, Irrel

by **WiZ** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:59 pm

Is the intent that the food product (formerly meat) gets eaten? Is it put to some other use? E.g. beef fat being used for candles/soaps, animal collagen being used for glue etc?

Is your title a reference to Arthur the Aardvark?

by **doriana_** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:28 am

Is the organization a government organization? an NGO? a charity?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:28 am

Is the intent that the food product (formerly meat) gets eaten? No (and I should clarify the "formerly meat" - either the natural product, or the non-natural product, is meat. The other is not)
Is it put to some other use? Yope E.g. beef fat being used for candles/soaps, animal collagen being used for glue etc? No, not like this

Is your title a reference to Arthur the Aardvark? Yes, well-spotted! Not at all relevant though, and only because I was trying to think of a food-related quote to use as a title - that jingle from that episode kept cycling through my head.

Is the organization a government organization? an NGO? a charity? No to all

by **GalFisk** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:34 pm

Was the natural product meat? Was the non-natural product created using plant matter? Animal matter? Other living matter? Mineral? Petroleum? Gas?

by **tdgpersonnew** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:10 am

Does the organization do food processing? farming? hunting? delivery? Is the organization a restaurant? A store/supermarket?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:28 pm

Was the natural product meat? No Was the non-natural product created using plant matter? Animal matter? This Other living matter? Mineral? Petroleum? Gas?

Does the organization do food processing? farming? hunting? delivery? No to all Is the organization a restaurant? No A store/supermarket? No

by **GalFisk** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:30 pm

Was the natural product of plant origin? Mineral? Animal? Human? Fungus? Bacteria? Air? Alien?
Was the meat from a mammal? Reptile? Fish? Amphibian? Bird? Insect? Crustacean? Mollusk? Petri dish?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:05 pm

Was the natural product of plant origin? This Mineral? Animal? Human? Fungus? Bacteria? Air? Alien?
Was the meat from a mammal? This Reptile? Fish? Amphibian? Bird? Insect? Crustacean? Mollusk? Petri dish?

by **GalFisk** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:09 pm

Was the natural product a: whole plant? Fruit? root? Berry? Leaf? Extract? Tincture? Was it toxic? Medical? Expensive? Controversial?
Was the animal product made by: boiling? frying? Charring? Distillation? Chemical refining? Chemical extraction? Is the animal product a pure chemical in the end?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:13 pm

Was the natural product a: whole plant? Fruit? root? Berry? Leaf? Extract? Tincture? None of these
Was it toxic? Yope - explore this Medical? No, but explore this Expensive? No Controversial? No
Was the animal product made by: boiling? frying? Charring? Any of these are possible Distillation? Chemical refining? Chemical extraction? Not these last three though Is the animal product a pure chemical in the end? No

by **GalFisk** » Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:44 pm

Was the natural product fake? Pseudoscientific? Was it supposed to be medicine? But didn't work? Was it supposed to be toxic? But wasn't? Was it supposed to be toxic to some organisms? Such as a preservative?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:43 pm

Was the natural product fake? No Pseudoscientific? No
Was it supposed to be medicine? No But didn't work?
Was it supposed to be toxic? No But wasn't?
Was it supposed to be toxic to some organisms? No, but explore Such as a preservative?

I think I gave a misleading answer early on that has caused this to go off-track:

Does it matter what the product was? Yes If so, was it meat? One of them Another animal product? Veg? Fruit? Grain? No to rest for the other one

Both products are food. The non-natural one is meat. The natural one... I'm not sure of those categories exactly qualifies. It does come from a plant.

by **Biograd1** » Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:34 pm

So the non-natural product is made from actual animal meat, but is processed somehow? or is it some sort of lab-grown tissue/cells?

And the natural product it replaced was plant-based, but wouldn't be called a fruit, vegetable, or grain? Was it something like tofu or tapioca pudding, where the food was not eaten in whole form as it grows on the plant?

by **GalFisk** » Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:19 am

Are living organisms other than the origin plant relevant to the natural product? Was it replaced because it was unsafe? Harmful? If so, for the one who ate the food product? Someone involved in manufacture? Harvest? Someone else? Pests relevant? Pesticides? Was making it from meat safer? More environmentally friendly? Less wasteful?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:43 pm

So the non-natural product is made from actual animal meat, but is processed somehow? Yes or is it some sort of lab-grown tissue/cells? No

And the natural product it replaced was plant-based, but wouldn't be called a fruit, vegetable, or grain? Correct Was it something like tofu or tapioca pudding, where the food was not eaten in whole form as it grows on the plant? No

Are living organisms other than the origin plant relevant to the natural product? See below
Was it replaced because it was unsafe? Harmful? To some, Yes If so, for the one who ate the food product? For some, Yes Someone involved in manufacture? Harvest? Someone else? No to these
Pests relevant? Pesticides? Neither
Was making it from meat safer? More environmentally friendly? Less wasteful? No to all, FA

by **trebor2** » Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:19 pm

Are allergies relevant? Other food intolerances? Is the plant-based thing a syrup? Sugar? Does it come from a tree? Is it a coffee cherry? Is it a berry? Is it called a berry, even if it isn't one? Does it come from something commonly grown in North American gardens?

Is the company a prison? Are they a for-profit company? Is food the main thing they sell? Is their target audience HA? HC? A specific gender?

Would this food typically be consumed as part of a breakfast? Lunch? Supper? Snack? Dessert? Is it consumed primarily at a certain time of year? In a certain setting? Is it associated with a particular event? Holiday? Is religion relevant?

Is the meat: pork? boar? beef? fish? other seafood? chicken? bison? deer? goat? duck? another bird?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:17 pm

Are allergies relevant? Yes! Other food intolerances?
Is the plant-based thing a syrup? Sugar? Neither Does it come from a tree? No Is it a coffee cherry? No Is it a berry? No Is it called a berry, even if it isn't one? No, but good thought Does it come from something commonly grown in North American gardens? Yes (not everywhere in North America, and not often in gardens, but it is a North American plant)

Is the company a prison? No Are they a for-profit company? Yes Is food the main thing they sell? No Is their target audience HA? HC? A specific gender? Human, all ages, all genders

Would this food typically be consumed as part of a breakfast? Lunch? Supper? Snack? This Dessert?
Is it consumed primarily at a certain time of year? Not necessarily In a certain setting? This is important Is it associated with a particular event? And this Holiday? No Is religion relevant? No

Is the meat: pork? boar? beef? fish? Most often pork or beef other seafood? chicken? bison? deer? goat? duck? another bird?

by **GalFisk** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:16 am

Allergy to: peanuts? Nuts? Gluten? Pollen? Soy? Is the point fo the product to provide: energy? Protein? Vitamins? Is it eaten in emergencies? War? A yearly event? Happy occasions? Unhappy? Remote locations? Such as Antarctica? Is it given to certain people? Such as toddlers? Elderly? Someone suffering from malnutrition? Starvation?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:00 pm

Allergy to: peanuts? This, and you have your plant product Nuts? Gluten? Pollen? Soy?
Is the point of the product to provide: energy? Protein? Vitamins? It's often eaten at this type of location as a snack
Is it eaten in emergencies? War? A yearly event? Happy occasions? These events are usually considered positive, I'll say. No to rest Unhappy? Remote locations? Such as Antarctica?
Is it given to certain people? Such as toddlers? Elderly? Someone suffering from malnutrition? Starvation? Anyone without dietary restrictions or allergies is able to eat these

by **doriana_** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:37 pm

Stadiums relevant? Movie theatres? Airplanes? Schools?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:01 pm

Stadiums relevant? Yes; No to rest Movie theatres? Airplanes? Schools?

by **GalFisk** » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:28 am

Did they stop selling peanuts at sports events because it could be dangerous to allergic people?

by **doriana_** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:17 am

Did a sports team have a peanut as their mascot? And replace it with a meat-based mascot?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:51 pm

Did they stop selling peanuts at sports events because it could be dangerous to allergic people? Yes

Did a sports team have a peanut as their mascot? And replace it with a meat-based mascot? No, but good guess

INTERIM RECAP

A sports team stopped selling peanuts at games because of allergy concerns.
Because of this, they replaced peanuts with a certain meat food product in an as-yet-undetermined context.

by **doriana_** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:19 pm

Relevant what exactly the meat food product is? Is it something that is commonly sold in stadiums? Hot dogs?
Did they replace pictures of peanuts with pictures of the meat-based product? Replace mentions of peanuts e.g. on their website?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:03 am

Relevant what exactly the meat food product is? Yes Is it something that is commonly sold in stadiums? Yes Hot dogs? Yes, exactly
Did they replace pictures of peanuts with pictures of the meat-based product? No Replace mentions of peanuts Yes ... e.g. on their website? No

by **GalFisk** » Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:15 am

Advertising relevant? Logos? Slogans? Media? The internet? Music? Songs? Mascots? Clothing? Gear? Fans? Fan clubs? Merchandise? Travel? Tournaments? Sports fields/arenas/stadiums? Broadcasts? Commentators? Events? Tickets? Security? Food sales? Were hot dogs sold instead of peanuts?

by **Sarisberie2** » Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:17 pm

Peanuts Snoopy the dog relevant?

by **Sundowner64** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 am

Was "peanuts" part of the team's name? logo? mascot? was there a fan club/supporter group/cheerleader group called "Peanuts"?
Relevant what sport?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:14 pm

Advertising relevant? Logos? Slogans? Media? The internet? Music? Songs? This; No to rest Mascots? Clothing? Gear? Fans? Fan clubs? Merchandise? Travel? Tournaments? Sports fields/arenas/stadiums? Broadcasts? Commentators? Events? Tickets? Security? Food sales? Were hot dogs sold instead of peanuts? (They stopped selling peanuts but had been selling hot dogs beforehand)

Peanuts Snoopy the dog relevant? No

Was "peanuts" part of the team's name? logo? mascot? was there a fan club/supporter group/cheerleader group called "Peanuts"? No to all
Relevant what sport? Yes

by **GalFisk** » Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:24 pm

Were peanuts mentioned in a song? A team song? A cheer? Chant? Anthem? Were hot dogs then mentioned instead of peanuts?

by **trebor2** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:54 am

Did they encourage people to sing about getting hot dogs and Cracker Jack while they root, root, root for the home team?

by **Biograd1** » Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:03 am

"Did they encourage people to sing about getting hot dogs and Cracker Jack while they root, root, root for the home team?"

That would be funny! As if it matters to allergy sufferers if fans sing about peanuts...

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Wed May 22, 2024 9:35 pm

Were peanuts mentioned in a song? Yes A team song? A cheer? Chant? Anthem? Were hot dogs then mentioned instead of peanuts? Yes

Did they encourage people to sing about getting hot dogs and Cracker Jack while they root, root, root for the home team? Got it!

****SPOILER****

When Dunkin' Park (home of the minor league Hartford Yard Goats) went nut-free in 2019, they changed the line "buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jack" in the song "Take Me Out to the Ball Game." That line is instead sung as "Buy me a hot dog and Yard Goats cap."