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by **trebor2** » Wed Mar 19, 2025 5:43 am

For a long while, he was an inspiration to many people. He has recently inspired many more. However, one of the people he initially inspired has broken the hearts of the people he has inspired recently.

Who is he? What has he done to inspire? And who is the person who has broken hearts?

All "he"s refer to the same person.

by **GalFisk** » Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:29 pm

Did he inspire the long-while and recen people in different batches? In different ways? In one continuous swoop? Did he inspire people to: be something? Do something? Learn something? Make something? Change something? Did he inspire art? Technology? A movement? Politics? Science? Medicine? Break harts: romantically? Literally? Ideologically?

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:56 pm

Is he still alive? was he ever alive? or is/was he fictional?
Did he stop to inspire people at some point? (because he died?)
Was the time in the past when he inspired the people more than 5 years ago? more than 10 years? more than 50 years? more than 100 years? more than 500 years?
Did the people he inspired share something? a common region of origin? culture? language? religion? profession/occupation? interests?
Is the person who broke hearts still alive? was he/she still alive while he/she broke hearts?
Did the act of breaking hearts happen before/while/after the recent wave of inspiration?
Did the person break hearts on purpose?

by **trebor2** » Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:43 pm

Galfisk:

Did he inspire the long-while and recen people in different batches? Yes. In different ways? Yes. In one continuous swoop? Did he inspire people to: be something? This, for the long-while.Do something? I'll say this, for the recent.Learn something? Make something? Change something? Did he inspire art? Technology? A movement? This is very relevant to the recent stuff. Politics? And so is this.Science? Medicine? Break harts: romantically? Literally? Ideologically? This.

Sundowner:

Is he still alive? No.was he ever alive? Yes.or is/was he fictional?
Did he stop to inspire people at some point? (because he died?) More just that he aged and time moved on.
Was the time in the past when he inspired the people more than 5 years ago? more than 10 years? more than 50 years? This is closest. About 45 - 80 years ago, give or take. more than 100 years? more than 500 years?
Did the people he inspired share something? Yes. a common region of origin? This would apply for most of them. culture? Broadly speaking, you could say this. Probably not in the way you mean, though.language? religion? profession/occupation? This, and... interests? this. But they are one and the same.
Is the person who broke hearts still alive? Yes. was he/she still alive while he/she broke hearts? So yes.
Did the act of breaking hearts happen before/while/after the recent wave of inspiration? Ongoing, but started slightly before.
Did the person break hearts on purpose? I doubt it. But in my opinion, they should've known it would happen.

by **GalFisk** » Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:39 am

Did he inspire the first batch actively? Passively? Did he inspire the second batch actively? Passively? Could he have inspired the first batch without inspiring the second one? Inspired the second batch withtout having inspired the first one? Did he inspire the first batch to take up a certain profession? Hobby? Passion? Did he inspire the second batch differently because: he did something differently? Technology had changed? Society had changed? Does the movement concern itself with: money? Business? Power? Environmental issues? Societal issues? Inequality? Does it want to improve something? Remove something? Was the hearbreaker in possession of any relevant power? Or mass appeal? If so, financial? Political? Religious? Medial? Celebritial? Military? Terroristic? Was the inspirerin possession of any relevant power? Or mass appeal? If so, financial? Political? Religious? Medial? Celebritial? Military? Terroristic?

by **trebor2** » Sat Mar 22, 2025 11:12 pm

Galfisk

Did he inspire the first batch actively? Passively? Can you explain what you mean by this question? Did he inspire the second batch actively? Passively? This.Could he have inspired the first batch without inspiring the second one? Yes. He did, until recently. Inspired the second batch withtout having inspired the first one? Not really. Did he inspire the first batch to take up a certain profession? Hobby? Passion? Yes to all of these. Did he inspire the second batch differently because: he did something differently? Technology had changed? Society had changed? This is closest out of the three. Does the movement concern itself with: money? Business? Power? Environmental issues? Societal issues? How broadly do you mean this?Inequality? One could argue it's concerned with all of these, to some degree. Explore.Does it want to improve something? Remove something? These aren't quite it. Was the hearbreaker in possession of any relevant power? Or mass appeal? This. If so, financial? Political? Politics are very much relevant. But the heartbreaker's power is not political.Religious? Medial? Celebritial? It's this. Military? Terroristic? Was the inspirerin possession of any relevant power? Or mass appeal? Yes.If so, financial? Political? Religious? Medial? Celebritial? And yes to this.Military? Terroristic?

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by **GalFisk** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:53 am

Actively: telling people that they must, should, or can do something. Passively: being well known for something seen as positive, meaning others want to be like that as well.

Can we call the inspirer Trey, and the heartbreaker Matt?
Was Trey an actor? Singer? Musician? Painter? Composer? Poet? Author? Director? TV personality? Leader? CEO? Rich person?
Was Matt an actor? Singer? Musician? Painter? Composer? Poet? Author? Director? TV personality? Leader? CEO? Rich person?
Did Trey inspire people to: vote? Become politicians? Activists? Did Matt break hears by: saying something? Doing something? Endorsing someone? Or something? Renouncing someone? Or something? Charity relevant? Pop culture? Relevant where in the world this happened?

by **trebor2** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:04 pm

Actively: telling people that they must, should, or can do something. Passively: being well known for something seen as positive, meaning others want to be like that as well. In that case, he inspired both batches passively.

Can we call the inspirer Trey, and the heartbreaker Matt? Sure.
Was Trey an actor? Singer? Musician? Painter? Composer? Poet? Author? Director? TV personality? Leader? CEO? None of these. Rich person? I'm sure he got rich through his profession, but he was not famous for being rich.
Was Matt an actor? Singer? Musician? Painter? Composer? Poet? Author? Director? TV personality? Leader? CEO? No to all. Rich person? He's definitely rich, but that is not the source of his fame.
Did Trey inspire people to: vote? Become politicians? Activists? This, for the second round of inspiring. None of them for the first inspiring. Did Matt break hears by: saying something? Doing something? Endorsing someone? This. Or something? Renouncing someone? Or something? Charity relevant? Pop culture? Relevant where in the world this happened? Very.

by **GalFisk** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:37 pm

Did this happen in North America? South America? Europe? Africa? Asia? Oceania? Was Trey a politician? Activist? Charity worker? Athlete? Philosopher? Did he inspire people through his profession? *Is Matt famous for: doing something? Being something? Having something? Saing something? Being related to someone? Did Matt endorse a politician?

by **trebor2** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:34 pm

Did this happen in North America? Yes. South America? Europe? Africa? Asia? Oceania? Was Trey a politician? Activist? Charity worker? Athlete? This. Philosopher? Did he inspire people through his profession? Yes. *Is Matt famous for: doing something? Not the way I think you mean it. Being something? Having something? Saing something? Being related to someone? Did Matt endorse a politician? Yes.

by **GalFisk** » Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:19 pm

Did Matt endorse Trump? Did Trey compete in a team sport? Individual sport? Ball sport? Motorsport? Did he inspire the first batch to take up this sport? The second batch? Did Matt compete in the same sport as Trey?

by **Sundowner64** » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:16 pm

Is Matt a member of royalty? nobility? a political leader? a religious leader? the Pope?
Is or was Matt an athlete? did he compete in the same sport as Trey?
Did Trey inspire the people in the first batch to become athletes? or were they already athletes and Trey inspired them to become better?
College sports relevant?

by **trebor2** » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:33 pm

Galfisk:

Did Matt endorse Trump? Yup. Did Trey compete in a team sport? This. Individual sport? Ball sport? Motorsport? Did he inspire the first batch to take up this sport? Yes. The second batch? No. Did Matt compete in the same sport as Trey? Yes indeed.

Sundowner:

Is Matt a member of royalty? nobility? a political leader? a religious leader? the Pope? No to all.
Is or was Matt an athlete? Yes. did he compete in the same sport as Trey? And yes.
Did Trey inspire the people in the first batch to become athletes? or were they already athletes and Trey inspired them to become better? Mostly he inspired people to become athletes. He was also seen as a positive role model as a person.
College sports relevant? No.

by **GalFisk** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 7:25 am

Is it an Olympic sport? Is it performed on a track? Field? On water? In water? On snow? Ice? In the air? Is it motorized? Does it require running? Jumping? Backflipping? Did he recently inspire people to do something political? To do something Trump is against?

by **trebor2** » Fri Mar 28, 2025 6:01 pm

Is it an Olympic sport? It is. Is it performed on a track? Field? On water? In water? On snow? Ice? This. In the air? Is it motorized? Does it require running? Jumping? Backflipping? Did he recently inspire people to do something political? Yes.To do something Trump is against? More than that...

by **GalFisk** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:38 am

Did Trey recently inspire people to resist Trump? Endorse Harris or Biden? Is the sport skating? Ice hockey? Curling? Relevant why Matt decided to endorse Trump? Why Trey went against him?

by **trebor2** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 6:22 am

Did Trey recently inspire people to resist Trump?Hard to answer accurately because... Endorse Harris or Biden? No, because...Is the sport skating? Ice hockey? This.Curling? Relevant why Matt decided to endorse Trump? No. Why Trey went against him? There is an FA making the questions about Trey difficult to answer.

by **GalFisk** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:30 pm

Is Trey dead? Relevant when he inspired the recent people? How? Is Trump relevant to the recent inspiration? Republicans?

by **Sundowner64** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:30 am

Was Trey US American? Canadian? Same questions for Matt.
Is the recent wave of inspiration to do with Donald Trump's politics towards Canada? with his politics in general?
WAG: Matt = Wayne Gretzky?

by **trebor2** » Wed Apr 02, 2025 6:43 pm

Is Trey dead? Sure is. FA cleared. Relevant when he inspired the recent people? Explore this.How? Yes. Is Trump relevant to the recent inspiration? Yes.Republicans?

Was Trey US American? Canadian? Same questions for Matt. Both Canadian.
Is the recent wave of inspiration to do with Donald Trump's politics towards Canada? Yes indeed.with his politics in general?
WAG: Matt = Wayne Gretzky? Yes.

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:30 am

Did he recently inspire Canadians to: campaign for someone? Elect someone? Resist Trump somehow? Or retaliate? To buy Canadian? Boycott US stuff?

by **trebor2** » Fri Apr 04, 2025 7:24 pm

Did he recently inspire Canadians to: campaign for someone? Elect someone? Resist Trump somehow? Yes. Or retaliate? Yes. To buy Canadian? Yes. Boycott US stuff? Yes.

by **GalFisk** » Mon Apr 07, 2025 1:53 pm

Relevant why Matt, I mean Wayne Gretsky, endorsed Trump? Do we need to know more about what trey did? who Trey was? what more he stood for? Was Trey dead when he inspired the recent batch of people?

by **trebor2** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 7:51 pm

Relevant why Matt, I mean Wayne Gretsky, endorsed Trump? No.Do we need to know more about what trey did? Yes. who Trey was? Yes.what more he stood for? Yesish.Was Trey dead when he inspired the recent batch of people? Yes.

by **GalFisk** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 9:04 am

So Trey inspired the first batch to play hockey? To something else? To something in addition to playing hockey? Did he inspire the second batch to play hockey? To something else? To something else in addition to playing hockey? Did his memory inspire the second batch? His image? His ideals? Was he used in a campaign? Canadian politics relevant?

by **trebor2** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:55 pm

So Trey inspired the first batch to play hockey? Yes.To something else? To something in addition to playing hockey? Did he inspire the second batch to play hockey? No. To something else? Yes. To something else in addition to playing hockey? Did his memory inspire the second batch? His image? His ideals? This.Was he used in a campaign? Canadian politics relevant? Very much so.

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:02 am

Did his ideals pertain to: Canada? Inclusion? Peace? Diplomacy? Trade? Finance? Social issues? Aid? Equality?

by **trebor2** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:47 pm

Did his ideals pertain to: Canada? Inclusion? Peace? Diplomacy? Trade? Finance? Social issues? Aid? Equality? None of these, directly. Not in the way you mean.

by **GalFisk** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:10 am

Sports? Something connected to sports? Identity? Sexual identity? Is a symbol relevant?

by **trebor2** » Sat May 03, 2025 9:38 pm

Sports? The relevant ideal of his was exemplified in how he played, yes. Something connected to sports? Identity? Sexual identity? Is a symbol relevant? Something has become a symbol now. He did not use a symbol.

by **GalFisk** » Mon May 05, 2025 12:07 pm

Did he play: aggressively? Fair? Non-violently? Elegantly? To win? To make his country proud? His fans? Relevant how he did anything apart from playing?

by **Sundowner64** » Mon May 05, 2025 4:13 pm

Are the recent elections in Canada relevant here? Anyone's campaign or slogan?

by **trebor2** » Thu May 08, 2025 5:40 am

Galfisk:

Did he play: aggressively? Yes. Fair? DOYD. Non-violently? Much the opposite. Elegantly? To win? Yes, but something else, too. To make his country proud? His fans?Neither of these, but there is a group of people relevant to his attitude when playing. Relevant how he did anything apart from playing? No, with a small ish. If the ish doesn't get solved when the rest of the puzzle does, no biggie.

Sundowner:

Are the recent elections in Canada relevant here? Yes. Anyone's campaign or slogan? Not an official slogan, but yes. Explore.

by **GalFisk** » Mon May 12, 2025 7:35 am

Did he fight? Play dirty? Skirt rules? Was a rule relevantly changed because of him? Did he play to make the other team lose? Look bad? Did he show off? Dominate? Humiliate? Play selfishly? Selflessly?

by **trebor2** » Mon May 12, 2025 10:49 pm

Did he fight? Play dirty? This. Debatably. But this is the relevant aspect.Skirt rules? Was a rule relevantly changed because of him? Did he play to make the other team lose? Look bad? Not these (although he certainly would've wanted the other team to lose), but he did want to affect the opposition somehow. Did he show off? Dominate? Humiliate? Play selfishly? Selflessly? Neither of these, really. Think not of the self.

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Thu May 15, 2025 9:36 pm

Might Trey actually be Gordie Howe?

by **trebor2** » Fri May 16, 2025 6:33 pm

Might Trey actually be Gordie Howe? He might indeed.

by **GalFisk** » Wed May 21, 2025 5:58 pm

Is his team relevant? The opposing team? Home games? Away games?

by **trebor2** » Sun May 25, 2025 1:28 am

Is his team relevant? Yes, if you mean the people he played with. Not if you mean exactly what city and name they represented. The opposing team? Same sort of answer. No specific team, but opposing players, yes. Home games? Away games? His ideals could come up whether home or away.

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:49 am

Relevant that Howe was known for getting into fights? (A "Gordie Howe hat trick" is a goal, an assist, and a fight.)
Did he fight in order to defend other teammates?

by **trebor2** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:19 am

Relevant that Howe was known for getting into fights? (A "Gordie Howe hat trick" is a goal, an assist, and a fight.) It's not fighting, but another physical thing he was known for. That involves arms.
Did he fight in order to defend other teammates? YES, with the caveat that it's not his fighting that is relevant, but another physical thing.

Getting very close.

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:17 pm

Something with his arms -- checking? Cross-checking?

by **trebor2** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:04 am

Something with his arms -- checking? Cross-checking? Not those.

by **Sundowner64** » Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:17 am

Did he protect his teammates? defend them? separate fighters?
Did he use his physical strength to discourage the opposing team from engaging in fights?

by **trebor2** » Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:00 pm

Did he protect his teammates? Yes. defend them? Yes. separate fighters?
Did he use his physical strength to discourage the opposing team from engaging in fights? He did something physical to discourage the opposition from continuing to play dirty against his teammates once he felt they'd already crossed the line.

Fighting and cross-checking aren't it, but you're close. Both physically and in terms of intent. I'm going to be picky about getting the right action (which is, like fighting and cross-checking, also a penalty) because it's spawned a phrase and movement.

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Wed Jul 16, 2025 11:38 pm

Does it involve a physical blow to another player? At or on a certain part of the body? Punch in the face?

by **trebor2** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:25 am

Does it involve a physical blow to another player? Yes, but not a punch. At or on a certain part of the body? Yes - the head. Delivered by a specific part of Howe's body. Punch in the face?

by **Sundowner64** » Fri Jul 25, 2025 8:02 am

Slapping? given that "slapping" could also mean to impose tariffs?
Like in "If someone slaps you, slap back"?

by **trebor2** » Mon Jul 28, 2025 6:49 pm

Slapping? given that "slapping" could also mean to impose tariffs?
Like in "If someone slaps you, slap back"? No, but everyone's skating around the solution, so I think it's time for a

$POYLER..............

Gordie Howe was a prolific scorer and hockey star who was not afraid to play physically. As mentioned, a Gordie Howe hat trick is a goal, an assist, and a fight in the same game. He was also known for leading with his elbows when delivering a check (a hit), particularly when the opposing player had already done something dirty to one of Howe's teammates. He'd get his elbow up and lead with it. Elbowing in general is a penalty in hockey, but leading with an elbow when you're going in for a check can be particularly dangerous. Especially given that if you put your elbow up beside you (you check with the side of your body), then it's at about head height. Howe would get his elbows up when he thought an opposing player deserved it.

Howe inspired Gretzky, as a goal-scorer and playmaker, as well as with his demeanour off the ice. He was also proud to be Canadian. Fast forward to now, and Gretzky has worn MAGA apparel and spent time at Mar-a-Lago. He has gone from being someone we're proud of to a traitor. Meanwhile, Mike Myers went on Saturday Night Live in January or so, crooked his arm, and mouthed "elbows up" in reference to Trump and the tariffs, providing a rallying cry for a movement.

For a brief video about it, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj9JGDHPhV4

by **Biograd1** » Tue Jul 29, 2025 2:26 am

I guess this is the sort of thing you don't get unless you're Canadian.

by **trebor2** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:07 pm

I'm not sure what's not to get about it. Elbows up against Trump and authoritarianism!

To clarify a bit more, this also relates to an effort to buy more Canadian products (or at least non-American products), to avoid booking travel to the US (and to cancel travel plans that were already in place), and, on a federal government level, to reduce or eliminate barriers to interprovincial trade within Canada. And to seek out trade partnerships with other countries when it's clear that the US government is not to be trusted.

Trump's 51st state rhetoric, and then starting a trade war with us, would be akin to an opposing player going after someone on Howe's team unprovoked and with the intent to injure. Howe's response would be to lead with the elbow and hit right back, instead of just letting the aggressor run rampant.

by **Biograd1** » Fri Aug 01, 2025 12:20 am

No I get why someone is against Trump... what I mean is how "elbows up" would be a meme.

by **trebor2** » Sat Aug 02, 2025 7:45 pm

It's become a phrase, spread like a meme. For instance, my premier (the leader of my province, who is right-wing and an embarrassment to many people here) has argued that the best way forward is to appease Trump. The leader of the official opposition, and many pundits, have said this is not the time for pandering to MAGA and that our policies need to be elbows up.

It's also a phrase that just regular people are using, when we're talking about avoiding US products or travel. It wasn't in the common vernacular last year, but it sure is this year. Spread like a meme, and everyone here knows what you mean when you say it.