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by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Aug 27, 2025 8:46 am

Sometimes, you see a puzzle posted and think like, oh, I had wanted to post the same puzzle before.
Then it turns out that one is different.
Here is my puzzle with the same statement but a different solution. I'm switching genders just for distinction, but the genders are actually not relevant.

She was amazed when she heard the waiter tell her to leave.

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Aug 27, 2025 12:44 pm

Did this happen in a restaurant? in some other eating place?
Is she a patron? Did she come to eat there? Did she order anything? with that very same waiter?
Was she served anything? Did she eat or drink there? if so: did she pay for it?
Was she happy to be told that she can leave?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Aug 27, 2025 1:06 pm

Did this happen in a restaurant? Irrel, assume thisin some other eating place?
Is she a patron? Yes Did she come to eat there? Yes
Did she order anything? She tried to with that very same waiter? Yes
Was she served anything? Did she eat or drink there? if so: did she pay for it? No to all

Was she happy to be told that she can leave? Yes

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:22 pm

Did she want to leave? Did she want to come to the restaurant at all?
Is the waiter the person serving her / taking her order? Or is "the waiter" another patron of the restaurant who happens to be a waiter also?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:30 pm

Did she want to leave? Noish Did she want to come to the restaurant at all? Yes
Is the waiter the person serving her / taking her order? This
Or is "the waiter" another patron of the restaurant who happens to be a waiter also?

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Thu Aug 28, 2025 2:08 am

Did she name a particular food or beverage?
Did the waiter tell her to go to a certain location? To leave the restaurant in general?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Thu Aug 28, 2025 6:31 am

Did she name a particular food or beverage? Not relevantly
Did the waiter tell her to go to a certain location? No To leave the restaurant in general? Yes

by **Mother Gothel** » Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:45 am

Was she at the restaurant alone? Is it relevant what she ordered? Languages relevant? Can we give them names?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:53 am

Was she at the restaurant alone? Irrel, assume yes
Is it relevant what she ordered? No
Languages relevant? no
Can we give them names? We can call them Albert and Charlene

by **Mother Gothel** » Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:15 pm

Was Charlene hungry? Is it relevant what kind of restaurant it was (i.e. which national dishes it offered)?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:19 pm

Was Charlene hungry? assume yes
Is it relevant what kind of restaurant it was (i.e. which national dishes it offered)? No

by **Mother Gothel** » Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:24 pm

Did Charlene want to eat out anyway? Relevant which meal it was (e.g.lunch or dinner)?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Mon Sep 01, 2025 6:00 pm

Did Charlene want to eat out anyway? yes
Relevant which meal it was (e.g.lunch or dinner)? No

by **Mother Gothel** » Tue Sep 02, 2025 4:17 am

Did she want to eat at a restaurant from a particular nationality? Did she know this restaurant before? Did she want to eat something specific?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Tue Sep 02, 2025 8:08 am

Did she want to eat at a restaurant from a particular nationality?
Did she know this restaurant before?
Did she want to eat something specific?
Irrelevant, assume no

by **Mother Gothel** » Tue Sep 02, 2025 8:13 am

Was there a specific reason why she went to this particular restaurant and not to another one?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:46 am

Was there a specific reason why she went to this particular restaurant and not to another one?
Not relevantly.

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:25 am

Did the waiter tell her to leave before she ordered anything? while she ordered? after hearing her order?
Did she ask the waiter something before she ordered?
Were the waiter's words very strict? or, rather, a friendly recommendation or suggestion?
Would she have been able to stay if she wanted? if so: could staying (eating anything?) have turned into a bad experience for her?
Did the waiter give her some information she did not have before when he told her to leave? if so: would she have gone to this restaurant if she had had this information?
Food served in this restaurant relevant? ingredients? method of preparation? origin of food?
WAG: Is the restaurant not kosher?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Sep 03, 2025 3:40 pm

Did the waiter tell her to leave before she ordered anything? assume this
while she ordered? after hearing her order?
Did she ask the waiter something before she ordered? Irrel
Were the waiter's words very strict? Assume this
or, rather, a friendly recommendation or ?
Would she have been able to stay if she wanted? Let‘s say No here
if so: could staying (eating anything?) have turned into a bad experience for her?

Did the waiter give her some information she did not have before when he told her to leave? if so: would she have gone to this restaurant if she had had this information?
Food served in this restaurant relevant? ingredients? method of preparation? origin of food?
WAG: Is the restaurant not kosher? No/ irrel to rest

by **GalFisk** » Sat Sep 06, 2025 7:01 pm

Is there something special about: her? The restaurant? the waiter? Is she a celebrity? Is there a problem? A disaster? War? Was she amazed immediately? Some time later? Is it relevant why she was asked to leave? WAG: was she asked to leave, did so unwillingly, but later found out that leaving saved her from something unpleasant? Relevant what she did after leaving? How quickly she left? Is a mistaken identity relevant? Other mistake? If so, by her? The waiter? Someone else? Are other people besides her and the waiter relevant?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:14 am

Is there something special about: her? yes
The restaurant? No the waiter? No
Is she a celebrity? YES, small ich
Is there a problem? A disaster? War? No to these
Was she amazed immediately? Some time later? Both are possible, but it‘s more fitting when she is amazed only a little later
Is it relevant why she was asked to leave? Yes

WAG: was she asked to leave, did so unwillingly, but later found out that leaving saved her from something unpleasant? Relevant what she did after leaving? How quickly she left? Is a mistaken identity relevant? Other mistake? If so, by her? The waiter? Someone else? Are other people besides her and the waiter relevant? No to rest

by **GalFisk** » Sun Sep 07, 2025 10:50 am

Was she asked to leave for her own sake? Someone else's? Relevant what she's known for? Relevant exactly who se is? Or would this work for several celebrities? For male celebrities?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sun Sep 07, 2025 1:16 pm

Was she asked to leave for her own sake? noSomeone else's? DoydRelevant what she's known for? YesRelevant exactly who se is? No (she is fictional)Or would this work for several celebrities? Yes (but please do not invoke a list of celebrities, it would be hard to answer which ones would workFor male celebrities? Also possible

by **GalFisk** » Sun Sep 07, 2025 4:37 pm

Is she a famous: actress? Singer? Painter? Activist? Politician? CEO? Model? Athlete? Journalist? Scientist? Is her profession relevant? Was she asked to leave for the waiter's sake? Are other people than her and the waiter relevant? If the waiter didn't ask her to leave, would she be happy? Would she get to enjoy her meal? Would she understand that the waiter could've decided to ask her to leave?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sun Sep 07, 2025 5:05 pm

Is she a famous: actress? this Singer? Painter? Activist? Politician? CEO? Model? Athlete? Journalist? Scientist? Is her profession relevant? Yes
Was she asked to leave for the waiter's sake? Yes (sort of) Are other people than her and the waiter relevant? No If the waiter didn't ask her to leave, would she be happy? Irrelevant Would she get to enjoy her meal? Possibly, irrelevantWould she understand that the waiter could've decided to ask her to leave? She would probably not have thought of this possibility

by **GalFisk** » Mon Sep 08, 2025 5:53 pm

Is she a film actress? Stage actress? Voice actress? Relevant? Does the waiter want her to leave? Doe he dislike her? Does he know her personally? Does he have a problem with serving her? Does he like her? Love her? Did the waiter tell her to leave in a specific way? Did the waiter tell her to leave with him? Tell her the reason why she should leave? Was the food no good?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Tue Sep 09, 2025 7:40 am

Is she a film actress? This, or rather TV Stage actress? Voice actress? Relevant? I say Yes Does the waiter want her to leave? Yes Doe he dislike her? Yes Does he know her personally? No (This is relevant) Does he have a problem with serving her? Yope

Does he like her? Love her? Did the waiter tell her to leave in a specific way? Did the waiter tell her to leave with him? Tell her the reason why she should leave? Was the food no good?
no to rest

by **GalFisk** » Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:12 pm

Does he dislike a character she plays? Does he dislike her work in general? Does he dislike her as a person? For something she did outside playing a character? Relevant what shows she is in? Relevant how she's dressed? Is she dressed like a caracter of hers? In asking her to leave, does he make any reference to a show? Does she play an unpleasant character? divisive character? Relevant? Did she cause a problem with a show? Did it get canceled? Delayed? Did it jump the shark? Is he making a mistake? Judging her unfairly? Does he have a problem with serving her character?

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Sep 10, 2025 3:01 pm

Was she happy about the waiter's words because they meant that he recognized her? and therefore must be a fan?
Is she actually hard to recognize in everyday life because she looks very different in her film role?
Did the waiter actually want her to leave? or was he more joking?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:16 pm

GalFisk

Does he dislike a character she plays? Yes
Does he dislike her work in general? This is hard to answer, could be Big Yes, Big No, Big Yope or FA. Please follow up on this
Does he dislike her as a person? Yesish, because… For something she did outside playing a character? No Relevant what shows she is in? Yes Relevant how she's dressed? Yesish Is she dressed like a caracter of hers? Yes In asking her to leave, does he make any reference to a show? Assume no
Does she play an unpleasant character? Very much so divisive character? Relevant? Yes Did she cause a problem with a show? Not at all
Did it get canceled? Delayed? Did it jump the shark? No
Is he making a mistake? I wouldn‘t call it a mistake, DOYD Judging her unfairly? DOYD Does he have a problem with serving her character? Yes

Sundowner

Was she happy about the waiter's words because they meant that he recognized her?
yes, but there is another point and therefore must be a fan? Big Yope
Is she actually hard to recognize in everyday life because she looks very different in her film role? No, and this is relevant
Did the waiter actually want her to leave? Yes or was he more joking? No

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:00 pm

Was the character she played / was dressed as known to be rude to waiters? Was the actress herself?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sat Sep 13, 2025 5:53 am

Was the character she played / was dressed as known to be rude to waiters?
quite possible, but not relevant
Was the actress herself? No

by **Sundowner64** » Sat Sep 13, 2025 4:25 pm

Did her film character conflict with the restaurant type? with the restaurant's values?
Was the waiter afraid she would scare off other patrons?
or that it could lead to negative reviews if she ("her character") is seen eating in this restaurant?

by **Mother Gothel** » Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:11 pm

Does she play an evil character? Is the genre of the show she acts in relevant?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Sun Sep 21, 2025 6:49 pm

Sundowner
Did her film character conflict with the restaurant type? with the restaurant's values?
Was the waiter afraid she would scare off other patrons?
or that it could lead to negative reviews if she ("her character") is seen eating in this restaurant?
Assume no - the waiter‘s thoughts are not relevant in such detail

MotherGothel
Does she play an evil character? Yes
Is the genre of the show she acts in relevant? Arguably - it‘s a Daily Soap

by **GalFisk** » Mon Sep 22, 2025 9:43 am

Relevant why she's dressed as her character? Is she playing the character at the moment? Is she playing amazed? Actually amazed? Is the waiter also an actor? Is the puzzle event being recorded? Relevant?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Tue Sep 23, 2025 8:35 am

Relevant why she's dressed as her character? Yope, and probably FA
Is she playing the character at the moment?
No Is she playing amazed? No
Actually amazed? Yes Is the waiter also an actor? Is the puzzle event being recorded? Relevant? No to rest

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Tue Sep 23, 2025 8:05 pm

Is she intentionally dressed as her character? Dressed in a similar outfit to that which the character wears?

by **GalFisk** » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:25 am

Relevant what evil her character does? Or stands for? Relevant that she is in a restaurant? Being asked to leave by a waiter? Could it have been a coffee shop instead? A bank? Is asking her to leave referencing the show in any way? Relevant what relationship the waiter has to the show? To the character? Are any other people relevant?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Thu Oct 02, 2025 9:15 am

Balin

Is she intentionally dressed as her character? Let's say no here, or noish, still FA
Dressed in a similar outfit to that which the character wears? Yes, but probably same FA

GalFisk

Relevant what evil her character does? Or stands for? Not really
Relevant that she is in a restaurant? No Being asked to leave by a waiter? No
Could it have been a coffee shop instead? Yes A bank? Very unlikely
Is asking her to leave referencing the show in any way? Probably Not Relevant what relationship the waiter has to the show?
YesTo the character? Yes Are any other people relevant? Not directly

by **BalinTheDwarf** » Thu Oct 02, 2025 9:06 pm

Did the waiter formerly appear on the show? As the character?
Did the waiter lose her spot on the show (or an audition for that part) to the actor?

by **GalFisk** » Wed Oct 08, 2025 8:38 am

Relevant what relationship the waiter has to the actor, outside of the show? If the waiter had don his job and not asked her to leave, would there have been a problem? A potential problem? A legal problem?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:41 am

Balin

Did the waiter formerly appear on the show? As the character?
Did the waiter lose her spot on the show (or an audition for that part) to the actor? No to these

GalFisk

Relevant what relationship the waiter has to the actor, outside of the show? No, or noish
If the waiter had don his job and not asked her to leave, would there have been a problem? A potential problem? A legal problem? No to these

by **GalFisk** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:21 am

Does the waiter watch the show? If so, obsessively? Does he have strong feelings about the character? If so, negative? Was she happy to be told to leave: immediately? Minutes later? Hours? Days? Would the puzzle work with a female waiter? Male actor?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:34 am

Does the waiter watch the show? Yes If so, obsessively? Very much so Does he have strong feelings about the character? Yes If so, negative? And Yes
Was she happy to be told to leave: immediately? Minutes later? Hours? This works probably best, but everyting else also possible Days?
Would the puzzle work with a female waiter? Yes Male actor? Yes

by **GalFisk** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:45 am

Does she know why he asked her to leave? If so, is that knowledge relevant to her being happy about it? Relevant how long she spent there before being asked to leave? Before actually leaving? Relevant what she did after leaving? What he did? Did he do something relevant (apart from obsessing over the show and her character) before asking her to leave? After? Are people apart from the waiter and actress relevant? If so, people associated with the show? The restaurant? Did she relevantly end up eating somewhere else? Did the waiter know she'd be happy? Want her to be happy? If not, could he have known? Is random coincidences relevant? Is the show still being made when she's asked to leave? Still being aired? Relevant?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 12:38 pm

Does she know why he asked her to leave? She will have a strong idea about it
If so, is that knowledge relevant to her being happy about it? Yes
Relevant how long she spent there before being asked to leave? Yes, it was quite a short time

Before actually leaving? Relevant what she did after leaving? What he did? Did he do something relevant (apart from obsessing over the show and her character) before asking her to leave? After? Are people apart from the waiter and actress relevant? If so, people associated with the show? The restaurant? Did she relevantly end up eating somewhere else? Did the waiter know she'd be happy? Want her to be happy? If not, could he have known? Is random coincidences relevant? No to these
Is the show still being made when she's asked to leave? Irrel Still being aired? Probably yes
Relevant? Let's say yes here

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Oct 22, 2025 5:23 pm

Is the time of the day relevant?
Did the waiter ask her to leave before midnight? (or before some other point in time?)

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Thu Oct 23, 2025 5:25 am

Is the time of the day relevant? no
Did the waiter ask her to leave before midnight? (or before some other point in time?) irrel

by **GalFisk** » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:10 am

Is it relevant why the waiter dislikes the character? In what way? Does he perform any other relevant actions than asking her to leave? If so, before asking? After? Is it relevant what the character did in the show? What happened to the character in the show? Are any other characters in the show relevant?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:09 pm

Is it relevant why the waiter dislikes the character? only broadly In what way? same
Does he perform any other relevant actions than asking her to leave? If so, before asking? After? No
Is it relevant what the character did in the show? Only broadly as above What happened to the character in the show? Possibly Are any other characters in the show relevant? No

by **GalFisk** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 11:31 am

When the realization that made her happy hit her, was it due to something she saw? Read? Heard? Thought? Something that happened? Relevant where she was at that time? What she was doing? Where the witer was at that time? What he was doing?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:48 pm

When the realization that made her happy hit her, was it due to something she saw? Read? Heard? Thought? this Something that happened?
Relevant where she was at that time? What she was doing? Where the witer was at that time? What he was doing? No to all

by **GalFisk** » Wed Oct 29, 2025 10:34 am

Had they relevantly interacted in any way before she was asked to leave? Only him and her are relevant people in the puzzle, correct? Does her thought process involve: remembering something? Deducing something?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:01 pm

Had they relevantly interacted in any way before she was asked to leave? Not in person
Only him and her are relevant people in the puzzle, correct? Right
Does her thought process involve: remembering something? Deducing something? This

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:46 pm

Was there any other relevant conversation between the actor and the waiter before he told her to leave?
Is there a reason why she should leave within a few hours? (and not right now) Did the waiter ask her something else besides to leave? Should she do something before she leaves?
Did the waiter's request hint that he has some knowledge about the show? about her role? about the plot?

by **GalFisk** » Thu Oct 30, 2025 8:15 am

Had they previously interacted in some other way? If so, two-way interaction? One-way? Had he sent her hatemail? In some other way expressed his dislike for her character? For her? Did she deduce that the waiter was the same person from an earlier interaction?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:53 am

Sundowner

Was there any other relevant conversation between the actor and the waiter before he told her to leave? No
Is there a reason why she should leave within a few hours? FA here - she was told to leave right away, but only got happy a few hours later
(and not right now) Did the waiter ask her something else besides to leave? Should she do something before she leaves?
Did the waiter's request hint that he has some knowledge about the show? about her role? about the plot? No/irrel to rest

GalFisk
Had they previously interacted in some other way? If so, two-way interaction? One-way? Had he sent her hatemail? In some other way expressed his dislike for her character? For her? Did she deduce that the waiter was the same person from an earlier interaction?
The only relevant "interaction" (if you want to call it this) is that he was obsessively watching the show and deeply hated her character

We've been beating around the bush for a while. The focus should be more on the actress' thoughts/feelings

by **GalFisk** » Thu Oct 30, 2025 11:31 am

When first asked to leave, does she feel annoyed? Bewildered? Does she deduce that the waiter disliked her character and not her, personally? Did the waiter say something relevant when he asked her to leave?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Thu Oct 30, 2025 3:06 pm

When first asked to leave, does she feel annoyed? Bewildered? Could be either, not that relevant
Does she deduce that the waiter disliked her character and not her, personally? This is OTRT, but why was she happy about it?
Did the waiter say something relevant when he asked her to leave? No

by **GalFisk** » Thu Oct 30, 2025 3:59 pm

Did her happiness relate to: Her role? Fans? Fame? The show? Her talent? Anoy other roles of hers? Did she feel validated?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Thu Oct 30, 2025 5:59 pm

Did her happiness relate to: Her role? Yes Fans? Yes Fame? YesThe show? Sort of Her talent? Yes
Anoy other roles of hers? No Did she feel validated? Sort of, yes

by **GalFisk** » Fri Oct 31, 2025 9:42 am

Does she harbor other relevant feelings about her role? Her fans? Her fame? Her talent? Does she want to be famous? To be recognized? Are future prospects relevant? Does she relevantly intend to make this incident known to anyone?

by **BitterLemonCurry** » Mon Nov 03, 2025 7:54 am

Does she harbor other relevant feelings about her role? Her fans? Her fame? Her talent? Yes to all
Does she want to be famous? To be recognized? Are future prospects relevant? Yes to all
Does she relevantly intend to make this incident known to anyone? No

I think I can declare this puzzle solved.

SPOILER

Charlene is a young actress who has just landed her first major role: A particularly villainous character in a daily soap.
When she is denied service in a restaurant, she is at first confused about it.
But later she realizes it must be because of her role, and that she must be playing the villainess really convincingly in order to be despised in person by a fan of the show,
and that she has now actually made it as a celebrity actress.

Congratulations to GalFisk, thanks everyone for playing!