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[RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:17 am

This puzzle is not invented by me. I think it might be a classic, but I am almost certain it did not show up on this (new and old) forum and I also did not find it in the Internet. So I give it a try. In case you know it, please PM me instead of $poiling it here.
So here it goes:


If Gina had not seen the sawdust, she wouldn't have died.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:25 am

Sawdust: origin of the sawdust relevant? Did she draw any relevan conclusions from the prescence of sawdust? Was it on the ground? On clothing? In hair? On an animal? In the air? On or in something else relevant? Did she change her actions because she saw it? Did she try to clean it up? Did she interpret it as evidence of something? Was it a waste product? Used as a filling material? Insulation? Animal bedding? Absorbent? Fuel?
After seeing the sawdust, did she die within: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years? Decades?
Did she die from: murder? Disease? Accident? Poison? Heat? Cold? Blood loss? Physical injury? Infection? Something contagious? Fall? Impact? Crushing? Animal attack? Venom? Electrocution? Explosive? Suffocaiton? Strangulation? Drowning? Blood clot? Organ failure? Brain injury?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:31 am

GalFisk:

Sawdust: origin of the sawdust relevant? Yes. Did she draw any relevan conclusions from the prescence of sawdust? Yes. Was it on the ground? Yesish. On clothing? In hair? On an animal? In the air? On or in something else relevant? On something else, to be precise.
Did she change her actions because she saw it? Yes. Did she try to clean it up? No. Did she interpret it as evidence of something? Yes.
Was it a waste product? This is closest, no to the rest. Used as a filling material? Insulation? Animal bedding? Absorbent? Fuel?
After seeing the sawdust, did she die within: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Likely minutes, possibly hours.Days? Months? Years? Decades?
Did she die from: murder? Disease? Accident? Poison? Heat? Cold? Blood loss? Physical injury? Infection? Something contagious? Fall? Impact? Crushing? Animal attack? Venom? Electrocution? Explosive? Suffocaiton? Strangulation? This. Drowning? Blood clot? Organ failure? Brain injury?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:36 am

Was she hanged? Did she commit suicide? Is the sawdust on a floor? On an object on the ground? Such as a rock? Or tree? Or stump? Was the sawdust produced in the location where it was seen? If not, was it blown there? Brought there by an animal? A person? by her? Relevant which tool was used to create the sawdust? If so: handsaw? Motorized saw? Drill? Sand paper? Did she wish to die? Did she know she would die, before the strangulation took place? Did she interpret it as evidence of something bad, from her point of view? Good? Neutral? Any relevant tracks in the sawdust? If so: animal? Human? Her own? Are any other humans relevant in this puzzle? Or any animals? any object or substance besides the sawdust?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:50 am

GalFisk:

Was she hanged? Did she commit suicide? Yes, she commited suicide by hanging herself.
Is the sawdust on a floor? Yes.
On an object on the ground? Such as a rock? Or tree? Or stump? No to these. Was the sawdust produced in the location where it was seen? Yes.
If not, was it blown there? Brought there by an animal? A person? by her?
Relevant which tool was used to create the sawdust? Yes. If so: handsaw? Motorized saw? Either of these would work. Drill? Sand paper? No to these.
Did she wish to die? Before seeing the sawdust - no. Did she know she would die, before the strangulation took place? Yes, as it was suicide.
Did she interpret it as evidence of something bad, from her point of view? Yes.Good? Neutral?
Any relevant tracks in the sawdust? No. If so: animal? Human? Her own?
Are any other humans relevant in this puzzle? Yes. Or any animals? No. any object or substance besides the sawdust? Yes.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:52 am

Was the saw used on: the floor? Another part of the house? An object inside the house? an object of hers? Relevant humans: one person? One group? Several people? Several groups? Does she kill herself out of remorse? Regret? Sorrow? Fear? Desperation? Does her death prevent something bad form happening?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:55 am

GalFisk:

Was the saw used on: the floor? No. Another part of the house? DOYD of "part of the house". An object inside the house? Yes, potential FA. an object of hers? Yes, potential FA. Relevant humans: one person? One group? Several people? Several groups? One person or small group.
Does she kill herself out of remorse? Regret? Sorrow? Fear? Desperation? This. Does her death prevent something bad form happening? No.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:14 pm

Does she own the house? Does the saw damage something relevant? Is the sawing done once? More than once? Is it done by the person or small group? Does she know who did it? Do they want her to know? Do they want her to kill herself? To become desperate? Size of the saw relevant? Does she see any marks made by the saw? Is something sawn off and removed from the house? Is the sawdust made of wood? Metal? Bone? Plastic?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:32 pm

GalFisk:

Does she own the house? Yes. Does the saw damage something relevant? Yes. Is the sawing done once? Yes, but... More than once? No. Is it done by the person or small group? Yes.
Does she know who did it? Possibly. Do they want her to know? No. Do they want her to kill herself? No. To become desperate? No.
Size of the saw relevant? No. Does she see any marks made by the saw? No. Is something sawn off and removed from the house? Yes. Is the sawdust made of wood? This. Metal? Bone? Plastic?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:21 pm

Is the sawing done in: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Are they thieves? Does she correctly identify the cause of the sawdust? Is the thing sawn off valuable? Does she know that it has been sawn off? That it is missing?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:24 pm

GalFisk:

Is the sawing done in: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Minutes to hours. Days? Weeks? Months? Are they thieves? No. Does she correctly identify the cause of the sawdust? Yes.
Is the thing sawn off valuable? No. Does she know that it has been sawn off? She finally realizes that.That it is missing? Yes.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:30 pm

Did she know it was missing before she realized it was sawn off? Did they saw it off because they wanted to remove it? Because they wanted to have it? Or sell it? Relevant what happened to it after it was sawed off? Is she desperate because it was sawed off? Because it was removed? Because they were able to get to it in the first place? Was it inside a room? If so, relevant which room? Is this sort of object part of most homes?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:44 pm

GalFisk:

Did she know it was missing before she realized it was sawn off? No. Did they saw it off because they wanted to remove it? Yes. Because they wanted to have it? No. Or sell it? No. Relevant what happened to it after it was sawed off? No. Is she desperate because it was sawed off? No. Because it was removed? No. Because they were able to get to it in the first place? No.Was it inside a room? Yes. If so, relevant which room? Yes. Is this sort of object part of most homes? Yes.

I think you have a FA about what was sawn off.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:54 pm

Furniture relevant? Did they want to help her? Did they intend for her not to find out about the sawing? Is the missing thing bigger than a gnat? Housefly? Bumble bee? Ping pong ball? Tennis ball? Soccer ball? Microwave? Washing machine? Was it sawed off while she was living in the house? Before she got it? Did she buy it? Inherit it? Relevant?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:34 pm

GalFisk:

Furniture relevant? Yes. Did they want to help her? No. Did they intend for her not to find out about the sawing? Yes. Is the missing thing FA! bigger than a gnat? Housefly? Bumble bee? Ping pong ball? I always imagined something like this. Any noticeable size would do.Tennis ball? Soccer ball? Microwave? Washing machine?
Was it sawed off while she was living in the house? Yes. Before she got it?
Did she buy it? Inherit it? Relevant? Not relevant.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:17 pm

Is the thing not missing? Is it moved? Put somewhere relevant? Is it sawed off from a piece of furniture? Is the sawdust underneath the furniture?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:05 pm

GalFisk:

Is the thing FA!not missing? "Missing" is correct. Is it moved? No. Put somewhere relevant? No. Is it sawed off from a piece of furniture? Yes, with the same FA. Is the sawdust underneath the furniture? Yes, with the same FA.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:20 pm

Is something sawed apart, but not off? Is something sawed apart and all the parts removed?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:22 pm

GalFisk:

Is something sawed apart, but not off? No. Is something sawed apart and all the parts removed? No, only what was sawed off was removed.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:05 am

So whatever was sawed off cannot be called a thing? Can it be called an object? Was everything that is missing turned into sawdust? Was anything relevantly burned? Is a specific piece fo furniture relevant? Such as a chair? Or couch? Or table? Is the furniture attached to the structure of the house? Or was it, before the sawing happened?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:11 am

GalFisk:

So whatever was sawed off cannot be called a thing? No, OTWT. I'll just clean the FA for you: there were many things affected with sawing, not just one. See below for details. Can it be called an object? I'm not sure if the sawed off pieces can be called objects or things, anyway they were solid wooden parts.
Was everything that is missing turned into sawdust? No, but it would still work, if it would make a noticeable change.
Was anything relevantly burned? No. Is a specific piece fo furniture relevant? See next answers.Such as a chair? Yes, and not just one.Or couch? Yes.Or table? Yes.Is the furniture attached to the structure of the house? No. Or was it, before the sawing happened? No.
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:28 am

Did they saw ALL the furniture? Were they trying to help her? Were they doing a practical joke? Did they make the furniture lower? Did she think she got taller? Did she receive relevant medical treatment? Did she think a relevant change was taking place? Did she kill herself when she understood that it was not?
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Re: [RedWine] Gina's misfortune.

Postby RedWine » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:36 am

GalFisk:

Did they saw ALL the furniture? YES! Were they trying to help her? No.Were they doing a practical joke? Yes. Did they make the furniture lower? Yes. Did she think she got taller? Yes. Did she receive relevant medical treatment? Yes. Did she think a relevant change was taking place? Yes. Did she kill herself when she understood that it was not? Yes.

Spot on!

**************SPOILER***************
Gina suffered from a kind of dwarfism. She started an expensive, experimental medical treatment. That day she returned home and noticed that she was taller in comparison to her furniture. She assumed that the therapy started working. She was very happy until she saw the sawdust. Then she realised that someone sawed all her furniture, making it lower. That meant she did not grow any taller. Desperate, Gina committed suicide.


Congratulation for the rapid solve, GalFisk!
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