[WiZ] No, a buried Irishman is not necessarily called 'Pete'

[WiZ]

Joseph was a working-class lad who was born in Dublin, Ireland. He died at the age of 23, without any remarkable achievements to his name. He was not a celebrity or particularly notorious, both before and after his death. His grave is the most visited in the large and well-established cemetery where it lies. Why should that be so?

[GalFisk]

Is anyone else buried in the same grave? Is the location of the grave relevant? Is it the first one you pass? Is it visited by people who also visit other graves? By people who visit his grave only? Do people visit it for the same purpose as they visit other graves? Is a relevant facility located at his grave? Or near it? Such as a water faucet? Or lavatory?

[Balin]

Is his surname relevant?

[RedWine]

Is Joseph's family status relevant? Was he son/husband/father of someone famous? Is his profession relevant?
Does his grave monument present a remarkable artistic value? Is his name written on the grave?
Is Joseph's cause of death relevant? Is he buried in Ireland? Is Joseph a symbol of something important?

[peter365]

I have a feeling that the grave is not in Ireland. Is it Arlington? Normandy? Was he a soldier?
Does he share a famous name with someone , maybe he's a kennedy?

Is there anything unusual about his headstone? Is there a humourous message there? Do people actually realise that it's a grave? Do they think Joseph's final resting place is something else?

[WiZ]

Galfisk

Is anyone else buried in the same grave? no Is the location of the grave relevant? no, assuming by your following questions that you mean 'within the cemetery' Is it the first one you pass? no Is it visited by people who also visit other graves? no, as a rule By people who visit his grave only? yes, as a rule Do people visit it for the same purpose as they visit other graves? yes, broadly speaking Is a relevant facility located at his grave? no Or near it? no Such as a water faucet? no Or lavatory? no

Balin

Is his surname relevant? yes!

Redwine

Is Joseph's family status relevant? no Was he son/husband/father of someone famous? no Is his profession relevant?yes
Does his grave monument present a remarkable artistic value? no Is his name written on the grave? yesish!
Is Joseph's cause of death relevant? Is he buried in Ireland? no Is Joseph a symbol of something important? yes or yope, depending on the individual's conception of him

Pete the unburied Irishman

I have a feeling that the grave is not in Ireland. your spidey-sense tingles healthily Is it Arlington? no Normandy? no Was he a soldier? no
Does he share a famous name with someone yesish!, maybe he's a kennedy? but not this

Is there anything unusual about his headstone? no Is there a humourous message there? no Do people actually realise that it's a grave? yes Do they think Joseph's final resting place is something else? no

[peter365]

Does he share a similar name and occupation with someone famous? Is his first name initial quoted on his headstone leading to confusion? Do people think they are visiting the grave of someone famous? Do people visit his grave as a kind of homage?

Do people tend to leave things at the grave? other than flowers I mean?

Are they trying to gain a benefit by visiting the grave? Is there some superstition or legend attached to visiting this grave? Is religeon relevant ?

Wild Guess: He's buried in Paris and his name is Joseph Morrison?

[WiZ]

Does he share a similar name yes and occupation no; there is another relevant similarity that is linked to his occupation, however with someone famous? Is his first name initial quoted on his headstone leading to confusion? yes! Do people think they are visiting the grave of someone famous? yes or yope, depending on the visitor's IQ/grasp of reality Do people visit his grave as a kind of homage? yes

Do people tend to leave things at the grave? other than flowers I mean? no

Are they trying to gain a benefit by visiting the grave? no; nothing selfish Is there some superstition or legend attached to visiting this grave? not tied to the act of pilgrimmage/visitation itself Is religeon relevant ? Your spelling made me think of a pastoral pigeon tending to his 'flock'. Religion is not relevant to the solution here.

Wild Guess: He's buried in Paris and his name is Joseph Morrison? A little too wild, in this case.

[peter365]

Your spelling made me think of a pastoral pigeon tending to his 'flock'. Religion is not relevant to the solution here.

Don't know where that rogue e came from.

Are people inspired to visit this grave by a movie? song? book? Is the famous person fictional?

[peter365]

Was Joseph a criminal ?

[WiZ]

Are people inspired to visit this grave by a movie? this song? book? Is the famous person fictional? yes

Was Joseph a criminal ? no

[GalFisk]

A war movie? Drama? Comedy? Does the character relevantly die in the movie? Is the movie based on real events? Or at least claimed to be?

[WiZ]

A war movie? no Drama? yes Comedy? no Does the character relevantly die in the movie? yes Is the movie based on real events? yes Or at least claimed to be?

[peter365]

Is there an actual grave key to the plot of the movie? Like in The Good The Bad and The Ugly for example.

[peter365]

Oops I cross posted there so my example is obviously way off the mark

[WiZ]

Is there an actual grave key to the plot of the movie? no Like in The Good The Bad and The Ugly for example.

[RedWine]

Do those who visit the grave think the movie describes real events? Including real - not fictional - person?

[peter365]

Does adding the J to the surname spell a word that causes the confusion?

[WiZ]

Redwine

Do those who visit the grave think the movie describes real events? yes (which it does, on the whole, although dramatic license rears its head from start to finish) Including real - not fictional - person? Some think so

Peter

Does adding the J to the surname spell a word that causes the confusion? no - no improper nouns are involved

[peter365]

Does the movie imply that the character is buried in the same graveyard as Joseph? Is the character also Irish?

[Balin]

"Saving Private Ryan"? The gravestone visited at the end of the movie is for a person whose first name begins with J. (which isn't a $poyler for the movie, because that could refer to multiple people, muahahaha)

[WiZ]

Peter

Does the movie imply that the character is buried in the same graveyard as Joseph? not directly - the movie makes no direct suggestions as to where the character is buried - but the cemetery in which Joseph is buried is a liable candidate for the final resting place of this fictional character Is the character also Irish? no

Balin

"Saving Private Ryan"? The gravestone visited at the end of the movie is for a person whose first name begins with J. (which isn't a $poyler for the movie, because that could refer to multiple people, muahahaha) This isn't the answer (it's not a war film and there's not direct reference to a gravestone or final resting place) but you've captured the spirit of the solution

[RedWine]

Did the movie relevantly refer to where was the character living? or where he died?

[WiZ]

Did the movie relevantly refer to where was the character living? or where he died? this

[RedWine]

Is the cemetery located in the place (town? city? village?) where the character died in the movie? Is the movie important for a relevant movement? Or organisation?

[danobrazil]

Movie from - 40s? 50s? 60s? etc? What period is the movie depicting - 1700s, 1800s, 1900-1959, 1960-1999, 2000s? Helpful to explore a sub-drama category? Cemetery in - Europe? NA? SA? Australia? Africa? Asia? Eurasia?
Any of these relevant - Sherlock, Moriarty, Watson, Dean, Mengele
First name of the fictional character - John, James, Joseph, Jack, Jim, Jimmy, Jacob, Joshua, Jonathan, Justin, Jason, Joel, Jesse, Jose, Jake, Joe, Jerry, Jeff, Jeffrey, Johnny, Juan, Jordan?
Is the fictional character - A good person? Evil? In turmoil? Wild/Crazy?

[WiZ]

Redwine

Is the cemetery located in the place (town? city? village?) where the character died in the movie? No; indeed such a cemetery would be extremely difficult to maintain or visit Is the movie important for a relevant movement? Or organisation? no, its appeal is universal

Danobrazil

Movie from - 40s? 50s? 60s? etc? 90s What period is the movie depicting - 1700s, 1800s, 1900-1959 this, 1960-1999, 2000s? Helpful to explore a sub-drama category? no Cemetery in - Europe? NA? this SA? Australia? Africa? Asia? Eurasia?
Any of these relevant - Sherlock, Moriarty, Watson, no to all Dean specify Dean, Mengele nein
First name of the fictional character - John, James, Joseph, Jack this, Jim, Jimmy, Jacob, Joshua, Jonathan, Justin, Jason, Joel, Jesse, Jose, Jake, Joe, Jerry, Jeff, Jeffrey, Johnny, Juan, Jordan? Not a bad list, it must be said.
Is the fictional character - A good person? yes Evil? no In turmoil? yes (and rather a lot of it towards the end of the film) Wild/Crazy? Perhaps more 'greatly impetuous' than 'wild'

[RedWine]

Did the movie character die on Earth? In outer space? Underground? In water? Titanic relevant?

[WiZ]

Did the movie character die on Earth? yes In outer space? no Underground? no In water? yes Titanic relevant? very

[RedWine]

Was Joseph's surname Dawson? Did Joseph die on Titanic? Is the cemetery located in the destination port of Titanic? Is the grave just symbolical then?

[GalFisk]

Is the disaster itself relevant? The romance movie set during the disaster?

[danobrazil]

How is it Red Wine asks spoiling questions so quickly, what's your secret? No really, what's your secret? No really?

I saw the relevant Dawson, so everyone get ready for another Red Wine spoil, as opposed to spoiled Red Wine,

[Balin]

Aww... I was enjoying this puzzle and wanted to ask a question, but it seems the Reddest of Wines has gotten there first. Very good one.

[peter365]

Ah the old 'why didn't she move over and share the raft?' scene.

I know Kate has a wonderful (and I really mean wonderful) full figure but surely skinny Leonardo could have squeezed on to that floating bit of furniture without sinking it.

Nice puzzle WiZ

[Balin]

James Cameron appeared on MythBusters when they tested that scene, and summed it up as "the script says he dies, so he dies."

[WiZ]

Hey, now, what's this? Why are you having the post-spoiler pillow talk when the spoiler hasn't even been posted? Honestly!

Redwine

Was Joseph's surname Dawson? Yes! Did Joseph die on Titanic? Yes (or next to it, really) Is the cemetery located in the destination port of Titanic? No; but many victims are buried there Is the grave just symbolical then? To some; to others, it's the grave of the "real" J. Dawson who they saw drawing Kate Winslet's bosoms

***** SPOILER *****

When James Cameron was writing the movie, he intended for the main characters Rose DeWitt Bukater and Jack Dawson to be entirely fictitious. It was only after the script was finished that he discovered that there had been a real "J. Dawson" who died aboard the Titanic. This "J. Dawson" was trimmer Joseph Dawson, who had been born September 1888 in Dublin, Ireland. His body was salvaged and buried at Fairview Lawn cemetery in Nova Scotia with many other Titanic victims. Today, his grave stone (#227) is the most widely visited in the cemetery.

Congratulations to Redwine for the spoil, and everyone else for their participation.