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by **Balin** » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:40 pm

A woman suffers great embarrassment because she forgot one. Why?

by **jumpingjacks** » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:29 pm

Woman = HAF? Can we call her Mary?
Is she embarrassed in front of one person? A few people? A large crowd? On stage? On TV?
Would this puzzle work with a man instead?
She forgot one - did she remember others of similar type? Or did she remember none? Is 'one' generic? or specific? (eg. Snow White forgetting to bring an umbrella when it's raining vs Snow White forgetting about Dopey when she talks about the "six dwarves" she lives with)

by **Balin** » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:41 pm

Woman = HAF? Can we call her Mary? Certainly
Is she embarrassed in front of one person? A few people? A large crowd? Most relevantly, one person On stage? No On TV? No
Would this puzzle work with a man instead? Yes, the embarrassed person's gender is not relevant
She forgot one - did she remember others of similar type? No Or did she remember none? She did not remember one at all
Is 'one' generic? or specific? (eg. Snow White forgetting to bring an umbrella when it's raining vs Snow White forgetting about Dopey when she talks about the "six dwarves" she lives with) It is a specific one

by **jumpingjacks** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:14 am

Just to clarify, when you say "Most relevantly, one person" after the question "a large crowd", do you mean that she was embarrassed in front of a large crowd, but there is one particular person present who is relevant? Or was the placement of your answer addressing my questions about her audience as a whole? I suspect the latter but wanted to check.

This one person who witnessed her embarrassment -- HAM? Are they a family member? A colleague? A friend? A lover? An acquaintance? A stranger? A customer?

Exploring the nature of the embarrassment -- was it in the category of intimate-but-harmless, eg. involving bodily functions? was it of the falling over variety? Is her physical appearance relevant? Or was she embarrassed because she felt she had been shown in a negative light? Did she believe that she came across as rude? Prejudiced? Ignorant? Selfish? Stingy? Cruel? Foolish?

The "one" that she forgot -- is this a tangible thing? Could I hold it in my hand? Does it belong to Mary?

by **Balin** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Just to clarify, when you say "Most relevantly, one person" after the question "a large crowd", do you mean that she was embarrassed in front of a large crowd, but there is one particular person present who is relevant? Yes Or was the placement of your answer addressing my questions about her audience as a whole? Interesting choice of word as "crowd" versus "audience" - I'll say that she had an audience of one, but there was a large crowd around I suspect the latter but wanted to check.

This one person who witnessed her embarrassment -- HAM? H/A/F Are they a family member? A colleague? A friend? A lover? An acquaintance? A stranger? A customer? A friend

Exploring the nature of the embarrassment -- was it in the category of intimate-but-harmless, eg. involving bodily functions? No was it of the falling over variety? No Is her physical appearance relevant? No Or was she embarrassed because she felt she had been shown in a negative light? No Did she believe that she came across as rude? Prejudiced? Ignorant? Selfish? Stingy? Cruel? Foolish? Rude/cruel, possibly foolish

The "one" that she forgot -- is this a tangible thing? Yope Could I hold it in my hand? Yope Does it belong to Mary? No

by **gregoryuconn** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:51 am

Is it literally the number one? So maybe she tipped $0 instead of $10, or put on channel 42 instead of 142, and that happened to be the porn channel? Or some similar incident?

by **Balin** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:58 am

Is it literally the number one? Yes!
So maybe she tipped $0 instead of $10, or put on channel 42 instead of 142, and that happened to be the porn channel? Or some similar incident? Not these, but good leap!

by **GalFisk** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:34 am

Did she forget to write 1? Type 1? Say 1? Press 1? Select 1?

by **Balin** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:19 pm

Did she forget to write 1? This Type 1? Say 1? Press 1? Select 1?

by **gregoryuconn** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:41 pm

Was it on something financial? A bill? An invoice? A check? And the 1 resulted in a significantly lower amount being listed? Perhaps even $0? (Like if it were $100 and she wrote $00)?

by **wolfier** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:44 am

Percent of tips/gratuity?

by **Balin** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Was it on something financial? A bill? An invoice? A check? And the 1 resulted in a significantly lower amount being listed? Perhaps even $0? (Like if it were $100 and she wrote $00)? Good guesses, but No to all

Percent of tips/gratuity? No

by **jumpingjacks** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:04 pm

You said she came across as rude/cruel; did it seem like her friend was a victim of this rudeness and cruelty? Or did she seem to be rude and cruel to someone else, with her friend acting as witness? A vulnerable person? A child? A homeless person?
She forgot to write the number '1', but did she write other numbers? If she had remembered it, would she have written it numerically - '1', or spelled it out as "one"? Relevant?

by **GalFisk** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:24 am

Was the 1 supposed to be part of: a bigger number? An equation? An instruction? A code? Binary numbers relevant?

by **gregoryuconn** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:30 pm

Was it a phone number? An email address? And then the person she gave it to either got a doo doo doo the number you have called is not a valid number or bothered some random person who was then annoyed? Or maybe it was something like a telephone sex hotline or the rejection hotline and so the caller was really mad?

by **wolfier** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:02 pm

Did she mentally forget to write 1 (that the 1 wasn't even in her mind when the writing happened), or is it a muscle memory thing (i.e. she was thinking about writing 1 but the hand didn't do so). I'm trying to understand under what circumstance this can reasonably happen to a normal person.

by **Balin** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:24 pm

You said she came across as rude/cruel; did it seem like her friend was a victim of this rudeness and cruelty? Yes (it seemed she was being rude toward her friend) Or did she seem to be rude and cruel to someone else, with her friend acting as witness? A vulnerable person? A child? A homeless person? No to these
She forgot to write the number '1', but did she write other numbers? Yes If she had remembered it, would she have written it numerically - '1', or spelled it out as "one"? As the digit "1" Relevant? Yes

Was the 1 supposed to be part of: a bigger number? An equation? An instruction? A code? Binary numbers relevant? No to all

Was it a phone number? An email address? And then the person she gave it to either got a doo doo doo the number you have called is not a valid number or bothered some random person who was then annoyed? Or maybe it was something like a telephone sex hotline or the rejection hotline and so the caller was really mad? No to these, but one bit in there is OTRT

Did she mentally forget to write 1 (that the 1 wasn't even in her mind when the writing happened), or is it a muscle memory thing (i.e. she was thinking about writing 1 but the hand didn't do so). Could be either; I'd guess it was the latter I'm trying to understand under what circumstance this can reasonably happen to a normal person.

by **wolfier** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:51 am

WAG: Was she ordering a birthday gift, e.g. a cake and have to write down the age of her friend to appear on the gift or the cake? OTRT?

by **Balin** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:14 pm

WAG: Was she ordering a birthday gift, e.g. a cake and have to write down the age of her friend to appear on the gift or the cake? No, but clever idea OTRT? One strand of this question is touching the right track

by **wolfier** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:48 am

Is the strand the fact that she wrote a number down and then passed it onto someone else who would interpret the number as part of a job / service?

by **jumpingjacks** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:54 pm

Does her friend witness her not-writing the '1'? How much time elapsed between her not-writing it, and the appearance of rudeness? Was it instantaneous? a few seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? When her 'rudeness' was revealed, was it also revealed to the large crowd about her? Or was the crowd merely a backdrop? an irrelevant circumstance of their being in a public place?

by **Balin** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:25 pm

Is the strand the fact that she wrote a number down and then passed it onto someone else who would interpret the number as part of a job / service? No

Does her friend witness her not-writing the '1'? No
How much time elapsed between her not-writing it, and the appearance of rudeness? Was it instantaneous? a few seconds? minutes? hours? A few hours days? weeks? months?
When her 'rudeness' was revealed, was it also revealed to the large crowd about her? Irrel Or was the crowd merely a backdrop? Somewhat, figuratively an irrelevant circumstance of their being in a public place? No, the crowd is relevant to figuring out the situation

by **gregoryuconn** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:55 pm

Is the bit that's OTRT.... that she was ordering something? That she was writing something down? That she was writing down a number and giving it to someone else? That omitting the 1 changed the number to something else?

by **peter365** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:18 am

Was she buying someone a present? Did the missing 1 lead her to buy something that she hadn't intended to ? Did it appear insensitive?

As an aside is the puzzle title a nod to Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

by **Balin** » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:28 am

Is the bit that's OTRT.... that she was ordering something? No That she was writing something down? That she was writing down a number and giving it to someone else? That omitting the 1 changed the number to something else? All these are true, with an FA

Was she buying someone a present? Well, she had already bought the present; the OTRT thread was the idea of a gift Did the missing 1 lead her to buy something that she hadn't intended to? No Did it appear insensitive? Yope

As an aside is the puzzle title a nod to Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Absolutely so - "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

by **GalFisk** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:09 am

Did she write anything else relevant? Any other numbers? Any other 1's? Was she goign to write the 1 with a pen? Pencil? Felt tip? Whiteboard pen? Chalk? On paper? Cardboard? A whiteboard? Blackboard? Was the 1 supposed to modify some existing writing? Was the missing 1 interpreted as 0?

by **Balin** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:47 am

Did she write anything else relevant? Yes Any other numbers? Yes Any other 1's? Yes
Was she goign to write the 1 with a pen? This Pencil? Felt tip? Whiteboard pen? Chalk?
On paper? On stiff paper Cardboard? A whiteboard? Blackboard?
Was the 1 supposed to modify some existing writing? As in "some writing that the woman hadn't written"? No Was the missing 1 interpreted as 0? No

by **wolfier** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:45 pm

was the 1 that was missed supposed to go into a box on the paper? was/were the other 1(s)?

by **Balin** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:49 pm

was the 1 that was missed supposed to go into a box on the paper? No was/were the other 1(s)? No

by **gregoryuconn** » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:43 am

Was the 1 part of a larger number? If so, does the number represent an amount (like the number of items to order, or an amount of money)? Or is it just a sequence of numbers like a credit card number or a phone number? Did she order the wrong size clothing or the wrong amount of something?'

WAG that I came up with while reading another puzzle on here: Did she solve an entire sudoku puzzle except for one number one, then give the puzzle book to someone else, leading that person to think she thought they were incredibly stupid and that's why she gave them such an easy sudoku?

by **Balin** » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:11 pm

Was the 1 part of a larger number? No If so, does the number represent an amount (like the number of items to order, or an amount of money)? No Or is it just a sequence of numbers like a credit card number or a phone number? No Did she order the wrong size clothing or the wrong amount of something? No

WAG that I came up with while reading another puzzle on here: Did she solve an entire sudoku puzzle except for one number one, then give the puzzle book to someone else, leading that person to think she thought they were incredibly stupid and that's why she gave them such an easy sudoku? No, but a funny idea!

by **peter365** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:44 am

Is addressing an envelope relevant?

by **Balin** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:03 pm

Is addressing an envelope relevant? No

by **Balin** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:04 pm

HINT: It's important to know in what situation this takes place - why the woman is giving her friend a gift in a public situation.

by **wolfier** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:05 pm

Is it a personal gift of is she representing some organisation to present the gift?

by **jumpingjacks** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:33 pm

Does she give her friend the wrong gift? Is the gift wrapped? Relevant? Has she given anyone else gifts? Or is going to? Did she write down numbers on the wrapping paper to know whose gift was whose? Did her forgetting the '1' result in a gift mixup?
Is this a gift-exchange event? Like a secret santa? Are these public thank you gifts?

by **Balin** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Is it a personal gift of is she representing some organisation to present the gift? Personal

Does she give her friend the wrong gift? No Is the gift wrapped? Yes Relevant? It will help when establishing context Has she given anyone else gifts? No Or is going to? No Did she write down numbers on the wrapping paper to know whose gift was whose? No Did her forgetting the '1' result in a gift mixup? No
Is this a gift-exchange event? No Like a secret santa? No Are these public thank you gifts? No

by **jumpingjacks** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:02 pm

Is it her friend's birthday? wedding? baby shower? hen do? leaving party? grammy award-winning party? Some other kind of celebration where her friend is the main focus?

So she gives her friend the gift in front of everyone... and does her friend then open the gift in front of everyone? Is this when the protag gets embarrassed? when the gift is revealed? Was the '1' supposed to be written on the gift somewhere? On the gift card?

by **Balin** » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:59 pm

Is it her friend's birthday? wedding? This baby shower? hen do? leaving party? grammy award-winning party? Some other kind of celebration where her friend is the main focus?

So she gives her friend the gift in front of everyone... and does her friend then open the gift in front of everyone? No, but see below Is this when the protag gets embarrassed? Yes, see below when the gift is revealed? Was the '1' supposed to be written on the gift somewhere? No, but... On the gift card? ...Yes.

I think it's time for a RECAP:

A woman suffers great embarrassment because she forgot one. Why?

The woman omitted the digit "1" from something she'd written on a wedding card for her friend. It wasn't until after she'd already given the card that she realized the omission, and that the omission made it appear she was being rude about the friend's wedding.

All you need now is the context of the omitted 1, and why it made her sound rude.

by **jumpingjacks** » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:12 pm

Did she want to write a phrase such as "2 become 1", "2 hearts joined together as 1" or a similar sort of thing?

by **Balin** » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:49 am

Did she want to write a phrase such as "2 become 1", "2 hearts joined together as 1" or a similar sort of thing? No

by **jumpingjacks** » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:32 pm

What did she inadvertently imply about her friend's wedding? That the love between the couple was not real? that it wouldn't last? that it was silly? a bad match? that the couple was arrogant? self-indulgent? boring?
Or was it more about the wedding ceremony itself? That it was boring? cheap? overly extravagant? tacky? that the outfits were a poor choice? that the food was terrible? that the guests were undesirable? the venue was ugly?

by **Balin** » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:32 pm

What did she inadvertently imply about her friend's wedding? That the love between the couple was not real? that it wouldn't last? that it was silly? a bad match? that the couple was arrogant? self-indulgent? boring?
Or was it more about the wedding ceremony itself? That it was boring? cheap? overly extravagant? tacky? that the outfits were a poor choice? that the food was terrible? that the guests were undesirable? the venue was ugly?
Hmm.... what she implied was more about her friend, that she wasn't a faithful or worthwhile bride.

by **jumpingjacks** » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:49 pm

Was the '1' supposed to refer to her new husband? That she had found 'the one'? Did omitting the 1 somehow make it sound like her friend was promiscuous?
Did she write something (or try to write something) fairly generic and predictable in the wedding card? "Congratulations on your happy day blablabla"? Or did she write something more personal/unique? Did she write some sort of list?

by **Balin** » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:19 pm

Was the '1' supposed to refer to her new husband? No That she had found 'the one'? No Did omitting the 1 somehow make it sound like her friend was promiscuous? Yes
Did she write something (or try to write something) fairly generic and predictable in the wedding card? No "Congratulations on your happy day blablabla"? No, not like this Or did she write something more personal/unique? I'm going to say No to this also Did she write some sort of list? No

by **jumpingjacks** » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:15 pm

Did she want to write, "No 1" to mean "number 1"? But because she omitted the '1', the 'no' was read as 'no' instead of 'number'?
For instance, perhaps she wanted to call her friend "No. 1 wholesome bride" (weird thing to put in a wedding card, but you never know, lol), but because of the omitted '1', it now reads like her friend is "No wholesome bride"?

by **Balin** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:26 am

Did she want to write, "No 1" to mean "number 1"? But because she omitted the '1', the 'no' was read as 'no' instead of 'number'? Clever idea, but No. (Remember, there were other numbers along with the letters she wrote)
For instance, perhaps she wanted to call her friend "No. 1 wholesome bride" (weird thing to put in a wedding card, but you never know, lol), but because of the omitted '1', it now reads like her friend is "No wholesome bride"? I like this idea, but it's not it

by **Balin** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:42 pm

HINT: What she wrote was a few letters and a few numbers.

by **GalFisk** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:58 am

Did she write a code? Lock combination? Password?

by **Balin** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:00 am

Did she write a code? Lock combination? Password? No to all

by **jumpingjacks** » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:30 pm

I am absolutely stumped!

Did she write a crossword? A connect-the-dots picture? Colour by numbers? Lol
Were the numbers related to dates? Dates relating to the relationship of the bride and groom? Age? Wedding table numbers relevant? Horoscopes?

Did she draw that erotic body parts by numbers picture like Monica from Friends? Haha

by **Balin** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:12 pm

I am absolutely stumped! Hmm... remember that this was a wedding. And I'll add that what she wrote included one punctuation mark.

Did she write a crossword? A connect-the-dots picture? Colour by numbers? Lol None of these
Were the numbers related to dates? Dates relating to the relationship of the bride and groom? Age? Wedding table numbers relevant? Horoscopes? No to all

Did she draw that erotic body parts by numbers picture like Monica from Friends? Haha No, and I actually have never seen an episode of Friends (to which hearers tend to react with shock)

by **jumpingjacks** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:53 am

Did she reference a Biblical quotation? Did she want a quote about love and marriage but because of the forgotten 1, accidentally referenced a quote about promiscuity?

by **Balin** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:23 am

Did she reference a Biblical quotation? Did she want a quote about love and marriage but because of the forgotten 1, accidentally referenced a quote about promiscuity? That is indeed it.

****SPOILER****

She had intended to write the Bible reference "1 John 4:18" in the wedding card:

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear."

However, it wasn't until after she gave the card to her friend that she realized she'd written "John 4:18" by mistake:

"...for you have had five husbands, and the one you have now is not your husband.”

(Always proofread, compadres.)

by **peter365** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:13 am

by **jumpingjacks** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:06 pm

Haha fantastic! And that took me far too long to crack.... :lol: