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by **irishelk** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:34 pm

Due to a lack of foresight, both lights went out.

by **invisiblemimsy** » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:53 pm

The lights of a vehicle? Car bike motorcycle lorry other?
Foresight = planning, thinking ahead, predicting, realising?
Lights as in a thing which lights up to illuminate something, per Tesla?

by **irishelk** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:15 pm

invisiblemimsy

The lights of a vehicle? No. Car bike motorcycle lorry other?
Foresight = planning, thinking ahead, Mainly these first two. predicting, realising?
Lights as in a thing which lights up to illuminate something, Yope. per Tesla? No.

by **invisiblemimsy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:43 pm

Lights: natural e.g. sun, moon, stars? Electric, oil, gas, chemical reaction, the light in someone's eyes? Theatre lights?

Lights which light up for another reason/cause, and DO illuminate something, but that is not their (main) purpose?

Are these lights on all the time, part, intermittently, hardly ever?

by **Twilightseeker** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:31 am

Does the lights' going out imply something negative for someone? Is it dangerous? Irritating?

by **irishelk** » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:02 pm

invisiblemimsy

Lights: natural e.g. sun, moon, stars? Noish. Electric, oil, gas, chemical reaction, Oil or chemical, and also-- the light in someone's eyes? --yesish. Theatre lights? No.

Lights which light up for another reason/cause, and DO illuminate something, but that is not their (main) purpose? No.

Are these lights on all the time, part, intermittently, hardly ever? Hard to answer--one was "on" for quite some time before going out, one for a much shorter time.

Twilightseeker

Does the lights' going out imply something negative for someone? Yes. Is it dangerous? Yes. Irritating? No.

by **Twilightseeker** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:14 am

Are the two lights the same kinds of lights? Is one light referencing the "light in someone's eyes", e.g their life?

Is the other light: associated with a lighthouse? A literal fire burning (based on some sort of fuel: oil, wood, coal, other?))? Did someone light this light purposefully?

by **GalFisk** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:49 pm

Are both light lit for the same purpose? Are they lit in order to: illuminate? Singal? Warn? Provide heat? Ignition? Pilot lights relevant? Is there danger of: fire? Explosion? Poisoning? Suffocation? Crash? Death? Disaster?

by **irishelk** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:45 pm

Twilightseeker

Are the two lights the same kinds of lights? No. Is one light referencing the "light in someone's eyes", e.g their life? Yes, exactly.

Is the other light: associated with a lighthouse? No. A literal fire burning (based on some sort of fuel: oil, wood, coal, other?))? Yes. Likely oil, or some chemical. Did someone light this light purposefully? Yes.

GalFisk

Are both light lit for the same purpose? No. Are they lit in order to: illuminate? One is this. Singal? Warn? Provide heat? Ignition? No to rest. Pilot lights relevant? No.
Is there danger of: fire? Explosion? Poisoning? Yesish. Suffocation? This, good q. Crash? Death? Yes. Disaster?

by **biograd** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:07 pm

So there was a lamp that burned fuel and tended to cause death by suffocation? perhaps by carbon monoxide poisoning?

Does the lamp "going out" refer to that form of lighting becoming obsolete? or to the fact that in addition to being hazardous to people, the lamps were prone to extinguishing themselves?

by **irishelk** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:29 pm

biograd

So there was a lamp that burned fuel and tended to cause death by suffocation? No. perhaps by carbon monoxide poisoning? I believe in this case it would be carbon dioxide.

Does the lamp "going out" refer to that form of lighting becoming obsolete? No. or to the fact that in addition to being hazardous to people, the lamps were prone to extinguishing themselves? No/FA.

by **GalFisk** » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:01 am

Is the other light an indicator? An emergency light? A guide?

by **gregoryuconn** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:32 am

Did a gas-powered light go out but the gas stay on and poison someone?

by **GalFisk** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:53 am

Is the other light a metaphorical light? The light of consciousness? Of life? Of love? Of hope? Faith? The light in someone's eyes?

by **android18** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:58 pm

Did the person die before oil lamp went out? Relevant?

by **irishelk** » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:08 pm

GalFisk

Is the other light an indicator? An emergency light? A guide? No to all.

gregoryuconn

Did a gas-powered light go out but the gas stay on and poison someone? No.

GalFisk

Is the other light a metaphorical light? The light of consciousness? Of life? Of love? Of hope? Faith? The light in someone's eyes? One is this, i.e. their life. The other is literal.

android18

Did the person die before oil lamp went out? No, and FA. Relevant? Not very--they happened around the same time but the light probably went out first.

by **android18** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:42 pm

Did anyone die?

by **irishelk** » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:32 pm

android18

Did anyone die? Yes.

by **GalFisk** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:32 pm

Did the person die from: suffocation? Poisoning? Strangulation? Hypoxia? Drowning? Venom? Heat? Fire? Explosion? Electrocution? Cold? Exposure? Impact? Fall? Crash? Blunt force? Piercing force? Decapitation? Blood loss? Disease? Injury? Old age? Traffic accident? Was the death accidental? Murder? Suicide? Caused by negligence? Did the victim have a lack of foresight? Did someone else?

by **irishelk** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:53 pm

GalFisk

Did the person die from: suffocation? This, of a sort. Poisoning? It could be termed this. Strangulation? Hypoxia? Yes. Drowning? Venom? Heat? Fire? Explosion? Electrocution? Cold? Exposure? Impact? Fall? Crash? Blunt force? Piercing force? Decapitation? Blood loss? Disease? Injury? Old age? Traffic accident? No to rest.

Was the death accidental? Yes. Murder? Suicide? Caused by negligence? Yes. Did the victim have a lack of foresight? Possibly--in the case I am thinking of, they couldn't really be expected to know. Did someone else? Yes.

by **android18** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:04 pm

Carbon monoxide poisoning? Smoke inhalation? Drop in cabin pressure? Do both 'lights' go out in the same location? If so, in a house? A plane? If not for the literal light, for the death?

by **irishelk** » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:19 pm

android18

Carbon monoxide poisoning? In this case it would be carbon dioxide. Smoke inhalation? Drop in cabin pressure? No.
Do both 'lights' go out in the same location? Yes. If so, in a house? No. A plane? No. If not for the literal light, for the death? Good questions--location is very relevant.

by **wolfier** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:59 am

Is the location a hospital, or other medical facilities where assisted respiration takes place?

by **irishelk** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:09 pm

wolfier

Is the location a hospital, or other medical facilities where assisted respiration takes place? No.

by **GalFisk** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:52 pm

Is the location: a vehicle? Underground? Outside? Space? An area with an airtight seal? Did the fire go out because it had too little oxygen? Too little fuel? Too much CO2? Too much fuel?

by **CoffeeBean** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:16 pm

Does more than one person die in this situation?
Are deaths caused by someone's lack of attention to a detail or aspect of something?
Does a person(s) die when they enter a place and then cannot get back out?
Does someone die in a place that they go to willingly? By force? By compulsion? In a place where they seek shelter?

by **irishelk** » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 pm

GalFisk

Is the location: a vehicle? Underground? Yes. Outside? Space? An area with an airtight seal? No to rest.
Did the fire go out because it had too little oxygen? This. Too little fuel? Too much CO2? And this. Too much fuel?

CoffeeBean

Does more than one person die in this situation? No.
Are deaths caused by someone's lack of attention to a detail or aspect of something? Yes.
Does a person(s) die when they enter a place and then cannot get back out? Yes--at least, not quickly enough to survive.
Does someone die in a place that they go to willingly? Assume yes. By force? By compulsion? In the specific situation I'm thinking of it was compulsory, but not really relevant to the solution. In a place where they seek shelter? No.

by **GalFisk** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:22 am

Did the victim go in before the fire went out? Because the fire went out? Did this happen in modern times? Was the fire set without considering what it would do to the air?

by **irishelk** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:39 pm

GalFisk

Did the victim go in before the fire went out? Yes. Because the fire went out? No.
Did this happen in modern times? No--I think it could, but it would be less likely. Was the fire set without considering what it would do to the air? No/irr.

by **GalFisk** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:26 pm

Did it happen in a cave? Mine? Bunker? Well? Tunnel? Did the victim work there? Live there? Explore the area?

by **irishelk** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:58 pm

GalFisk

Did it happen in a cave? Mine? This. Bunker? Well? Tunnel?
Did the victim work there? Yope. Live there? Explore the area? No to rest.

by **GalFisk** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:51 pm

Relevant what was mined? Was the mine active? Did the victim trespass? Did the victim light the fire? Was the victim a slave?

by **Balin** » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:12 pm

Was the fire lit to provide light?

by **irishelk** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:22 pm

GalFisk

Relevant what was mined? No. Was the mine active? Yes.Did the victim trespass? No. Did the victim light the fire? Probably. Was the victim a slave? Yes, or at least a very unjustly treated worker!

Balin

Was the fire lit to provide light? Yes.

This is nearly solved, I think all that remains is to explain the "lack of foresight."

by **Balin** » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:52 pm

No one considered that the fire would burn up the oxygen in the mine?

by **GalFisk** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:43 am

Was the victim sent to see why the fire went out, without considering that what killed the fire might kill a person too?

by **irishelk** » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:14 pm

Balin

No one considered that the fire would burn up the oxygen in the mine? No.

GalFisk

Was the victim sent to see why the fire went out, without considering that what killed the fire might kill a person too? No, great ideas though.

by **GalFisk** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:51 am

Was the victim sent down before the fire went out? Was he sent down to relight the fire? Relevant what they were mining?

by **irishelk** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:09 pm

GalFisk

Was the victim sent down before the fire went out? Yes. Was he sent down to relight the fire? No. Relevant what they were mining? Not really, but might help...if you know a lot about mining...

The remaining bits might be kind of obscure to guess, so I'll $p0i1 soon if there are no objections.

by **KayleeArafinwiel** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:37 am

was it a coal mine? since coal absorbs oxygen? a blocked shaft in the coal mine might have prevented the worker from getting back out?

by **irishelk** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:26 pm

KayleeArafinwiel

was it a coal mine? since coal absorbs oxygen? No but interesting idea!
a blocked shaft in the coal mine might have prevented the worker from getting back out? Close enough for a

**********************SPOILER

This comes from an account of silver mines in colonial South America, which were very unpleasant and unsafe places, and many of the workers were either slaves or impoverished indigenous people who couldn't make a living anywhere else.

The specific lack of foresight in this case was that the mines were often built simply as long tunnels straight down into the ground, even though people at the time knew that you should dig a mine at an angle with extra air shafts up to the surface--otherwise heavy gases sink to the bottom of the pit and push out all of the breathable oxygen.

In this incident, a worker fell into the hole, and there was so little oxygen at the bottom of the hole that his torch died almost immediately. People climbed down to help, but by the time they reached him he had asphyxiated.

Um, so yeah. Merry Christmas!