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by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:10 pm

Two men lie in a field dead.

A true story.

by **wwhere** » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:27 pm

Two men lie in a field dead = There are two dead men in a field?
Relevant specific location?
relevant specific continent? Europe? North America? South America? Africa? Asia? Australia/Oceania? other?
relevant specific country?
Modern times (2000-2019)? 90s? 80s? XX century? XIX century?
Let's call one men Adam and the other Ben.
Did Adam die of natural causes? Did Ben?
Did Adam die murdered? Did Ben?
Is there anyone else in the field?
Is it important what time of the day it is?

by **GalFisk** » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:06 pm

Do they have relevant clothing? Equipment? Identification? Did they both die from the same thing? At the same time?

by **trebor** » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:04 pm

Is the field where they died? Were there other people nearby when they died? Are there now? Is the field used for anything relevant? Is it used for farming?

by **Brian1976** » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:10 pm

Two men lie in a field dead = There are two dead men in a field? yes
Relevant specific location? yes
relevant specific continent? no
relevant specific country? no
Modern times (2000-2019)? yes
Let's call one men Adam and the other Ben ok
Did Adam die of natural causes? Did Ben? no to both
Did Adam die murdered? Did Ben? no to both
Is there anyone else in the field? no
Is it important what time of the day it is? no

by **Brian1976** » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:13 pm

Do they have relevant clothing? yes Equipment? no Identification? no Did they both die from the same thing? yes At the same time? yes

by **Brian1976** » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:17 pm

Is the field where they died? no Were there other people nearby when they died? yes Are there now? no Is the field used for anything relevant? yes Is it used for farming? no

by **trebor** » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:07 pm

Are they athletes? Is it a field of play for some sport? Does the clothing they're wearing pertain to their profession(s)? Are their professions relevant? Were they placed in the field by another human? By more than one person? Did they fall into the field? Were their deaths an accident? Suicide? Did they die at work? In a hospital?

by **Brian1976** » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:07 pm

Are they athletes? no
Is it a field of play for some sport? no
Does the clothing they're wearing pertain to their profession(s)? no
Are their professions relevant? no
Were they placed in the field by another human? yes
By more than one person? yesish
Did they fall into the field? yesish
Were their deaths an accident? yes
Suicide? no
Did they die at work? no
In a hospital? no

by **peter365** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:22 pm

Hi Brian and a big welcome to the forum

Were they placed in the field to hide their bodies? or so that they would be discovered? Is this some sort of protest? a warning?

Has this anything to do with the short straw parachute story?

by **trebor** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:42 pm

Did they fall into the field? yesish Is the yesish because they were already dead when they fell? Because they didn’t exactly fall? Are planes relevant to this puzzle?

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:07 am

Hi Brian and a big welcome to the forum hi and thanks peter!

Were they placed in the field to hide their bodies? no or so that they would be discovered? no
Is this some sort of protest? no a warning? no

Has this anything to do with the short straw parachute story? no

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:13 am

Did they fall into the field? yesish Is the yesish because they were already dead when they fell? Because they didn’t exactly fall? yesish to this one Are planes relevant to this puzzle? no

by **trebor** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:37 am

I neglected to issue you a welcome, Brian. Sorry! And welcome.

Are their professions relevant? Did they share a profession? Did they know each other? Are they friends? Co-workers? Father and son? Brothers? Married? Lovers? Another family relation?

Is their clothing identifiable as pertaining to a certain hobby or profession? Does it show a gang affiliation? Does it show that they are fans of something/someone?

by **peter365** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:34 am

Do the bodies display visible injuries? If you viewed the bodies would it be obvious how they died?

Did they die a considerable amount of time before the bodies were disvovered? Were they decomposed?

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:00 pm

Are their professions relevant? no
Did they share a profession? no
Did they know each other? yes
Are they friends? not relevant
Co-workers? Father and son? Brothers? Married? Lovers? Another family relation? no to all of these

Is their clothing identifiable as pertaining to a certain hobby or profession? no
Does it show a gang affiliation? no
Does it show that they are fans of something/someone? no

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:32 pm

Do the bodies display visible injuries? If you viewed the bodies would it be obvious how they died? I wish I could give a yes or no to these particular questions but I'm simply not sure.
Did they die a considerable amount of time before the bodies were disvovered? no
Were they decomposed? no

by **GalFisk** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:13 am

Did they fly into the field? Were they flung into the field? Are they radioactive?

by **trebor** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:25 pm

Did they die of blunt force trauma? Asphyxiation? Cardiac event? Blood loss? Disease? Drowning? Are their corpses intact?

by **Brian1976** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:24 pm

Did they fly into the field? no
Were they flung into the field? yesish
Are they radioactive? no

by **Brian1976** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:40 pm

Did they die of blunt force trauma? this is the closest Asphyxiation? Cardiac event? Blood loss? Disease? Drowning? no to the rest of these

Are their corpses intact? depends on what you mean by intact, I will say noish

by **GalFisk** » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:36 pm

Were they thrown into the field? Were they hit by something? Did they fall off of something? Trains relevant? Weapons? Siege engines? Pressurized gas? An explosion?

by **Brian1976** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:30 am

Were they thrown into the field? no
Were they hit by something? yesish
Did they fall off of something? yesish
Trains relevant? Weapons? Siege engines? Pressurized gas? An explosion? no to all of those

by **GalFisk** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:17 pm

Animals relevant? Riding? Fighting?

by **Brian1976** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:12 am

Animals relevant? Riding? Fighting? no to all

by **GalFisk** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:44 am

Vehicles relevant? Were they together when they died? Were they doing the same thing when they died? Did they die in the same fashion? Did they collide with each other? Is a stunt relevant? A crime?

by **Brian1976** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:35 pm

Vehicles relevant? yes
Were they together when they died? yes
Were they doing the same thing when they died? yes
Did they die in the same fashion? yes
Did they collide with each other? no
Is a stunt relevant? no
A crime? yes

by **GalFisk** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:07 am

Did they kill each other? Did they drive a vehicle? Fall from a vehicle? Get thrown from a vehicle? Did a vehicle get destroyed? Is there a wreck nearby?

by **Brian1976** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:50 pm

Did they kill each other? no
Did they drive a vehicle? no
Fall from a vehicle? yesish
Get thrown from a vehicle? yesish
Did a vehicle get destroyed? no
Is there a wreck nearby? no

by **trebor** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:49 am

Is there one relevant vehicle? Two? More? Were they both in the same vehicle? Was someone else driving the vehicle? Was the vehicle a car? Bus? Truck? Van? Motorbike? Ship? Helicopter? Is it an automated vehicle? Is it a vehicle that relies on wind? Pedals?

Had they already committed the crime(s) when they died? Were they in the process of committing one? Was the crime theft? Assault? Murder? Were they making a crop circle?

Is the field used for growing a crop? For research?

by **GalFisk** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:02 am

Is it a vehicleish?

by **Brian1976** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:19 am

Is there one relevant vehicle? yes to this one Two? More?
Were they both in the same vehicle? yes
Was someone else driving the vehicle? yes
Was the vehicle a car? Bus? Truck? yes to this one Van? Motorbike? Ship? Helicopter? Is it an automated vehicle? yesish to this one Is it a vehicle that relies on wind? Pedals? no to rest

Had they already committed the crime(s) when they died? yes and no
Were they in the process of committing one? yes
Was the crime theft? Assault? Murder? Were they making a crop circle? no to all

Is the field used for growing a crop? For research? no to both

by **Brian1976** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:26 am

Is it a vehicleish? to avoid a misperception, i'll simply confirm that it's a vehicle, no ish

by **GalFisk** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:01 am

Truck: for transportation? Construction work? War? Did the truck drive through the field? Was the truck damaged?

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:35 am

Truck: for transportation? yes
Construction work? War? no to both
Did the truck drive through the field? yesish
Was the truck damaged? no

by **trebor** » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:51 am

Was one of the crimes trespassing? Were they trespassing when they died? Was the truck in working order when the events of this puzzle began? Was it when they ended

Seatbelts relevant? Lack thereof? Riding in the back of the truck relevant? Had they been thrown from the truck?

Did they hit a land mine?

by **Brian1976** » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:50 am

Was one of the crimes trespassing? yes
Were they trespassing when they died? yes
Was the truck in working order when the events of this puzzle began? Was it when they ended yes to both

Seatbelts relevant? Lack thereof? no to both
Riding in the back of the truck relevant? yes
Had they been thrown from the truck? yesish

Did they hit a land mine? no

by **GalFisk** » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:41 am

Were they trespassing in the field? On the truck? Did one of them drive the truck? If not, were they friendly towards the driver? Unfriendly? Hidden from the driver?

by **Brian1976** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:46 am

Were they trespassing in the field? On the truck? this one
Did one of them drive the truck? no If not, were they friendly towards the driver? no Unfriendly? no
Hidden from the driver? yes

by **GalFisk** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:41 am

Were they trying to steal from it? Hijack it? Open it? Make it crash? Did they fall from the back? Top? Side? Underneath? Did they fall off in a curve? In some other maneuver creating g-forces? Were they climbing on it? Did they get on it from another vehicle? Stow away on it? Were there any relevant countermeasures in place to thwart this kind of activity? Were all hand holds greased?

by **trebor** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:32 pm

Was the truck carrying anything relevant? Is the occupation of the owner of the truck relevant? Is the truck a normal truck that anyone could go and buy?

by **Brian1976** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:47 am

Were they trying to steal from it? Hijack it? Open it? Make it crash? no to all
Did they fall from the back? yesish to this one Top? Side? Underneath? no to rest of those
Did they fall off in a curve? no In some other maneuver creating g-forces? if you mean a maneuver that caused them to fall, yes
Were they climbing on it? if you mean while gaining access of the truck in the beginning, yesish, later on, no
Did they get on it from another vehicle? no Stow away on it? yes
Were there any relevant countermeasures in place to thwart this kind of activity? yes
Were all hand holds greased? no

by **Brian1976** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 am

Was the truck carrying anything relevant? yes
Is the occupation of the owner of the truck relevant? yes, but possible false assumption
Is the truck a normal truck that anyone could go and buy? no

by **GalFisk** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:01 am

Did the driver own the truck? Did the truck carry valuables? Did the countermeasures make the men fall off? Did the driver ever notice that they were there? Did the countermeasures entail: making something slippery? Removing hand holds or fastening points? Making something sharp? Electrified? Ejecting smoke, sparks or other countermeasures as a response to a specific action? Were they inside the truck?

by **Brian1976** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:29 am

Did the driver own the truck? no
Did the truck carry valuables? noish
Did the countermeasures make the men fall off? no
Did the driver ever notice that they were there? no
Did the countermeasures entail: making something slippery? Removing hand holds or fastening points? Making something sharp? Electrified? Ejecting smoke, sparks or other countermeasures as a response to a specific action? no to all
Were they inside the truck? yes

by **GalFisk** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:51 pm

Did they want to steal from the truck? Did they want to hide in the truck in order to get into or out of an area they shouldn't? Did the countermeasures make them fall off? Make them unsuccessful? Did they intend to move from the truck onto another vehicle?

by **trebor** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Sorry, they were in the back of the truck but they were also inside the truck? Was this a truck with a bed and cab? Was it a semi?

by **Brian1976** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:56 am

Did they want to steal from the truck? no
Did they want to hide in the truck in order to get into or out of an area they shouldn't? the answer is no but you may end up having a misperception as to what that means because your question supposes several different things, not all of which are accurate
Did the countermeasures make them fall off? Make them unsuccessful? no to both, by the way, you're down a false assumption path in terms of the countermeasures
Did they intend to move from the truck onto another vehicle? no

by **Brian1976** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:09 am

Sorry, they were in the back of the truck but they were also inside the truck? yes
Was this a truck with a bed and cab? no to cab, and I'm not sure what you mean by bed, if you mean does the truck have a bed for the driver to sleep in: no, if you mean a bed as in the floor of the back of the truck, the truck in question does have a floor, not sure you'd call it a bed
Was it a semi? no

by **trebor** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:53 pm

Yes, at least where I live the part of a regular pick-up where the driver and passengers sit is called the cab, and the outside bit on the back that you can haul stuff in would be called the truck bed, or just the bed. Unless I'm totally out to lunch, which I've sometimes been accused of being.

Is this a truck where there are two rows of seats in the interior? More? If so, were they in a row behind the driver? Is this a military vehicle? Is it a truck that is used for a certain industry or profession? If yes, is that industry/profession what the field is used for? Did these two guys die in a crash? Were they ejected from the vehicle? Did the driver die as well?

Potter's field relevant?

by **Brian1976** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:08 am

Is this a truck where there are two rows of seats in the interior? no More? If so, were they in a row behind the driver?
Is this a military vehicle? no
Is it a truck that is used for a certain industry or profession? yes If yes, is that industry/profession what the field is used for? yes
Did these two guys die in a crash? no
Were they ejected from the vehicle? yes
Did the driver die as well? no

Potter's field relevant? no

by **GalFisk** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:24 am

Is the truck used for farming? If so: harvesting? Sowing? Fertilizing? Transport? Cattle? Relevant how they hid? Are the countermeasures in place specifically to prevent humans doing what they tried to do?

by **Brian1976** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:50 pm

Is the truck used for farming? no If so: harvesting? Sowing? Fertilizing? Transport? Cattle?
Relevant how they hid? yes
Are the countermeasures in place specifically to prevent humans doing what they tried to do? yes

by **trebor** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:04 pm

Did they hide under the driver's seat? In the engine?

Is it a garbage truck? Is it a truck that has parts that crush/compact things?

by **hoodie** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:15 am

Were the men hiding inside containers? If so, boxes? barrels?
When they got ejected from the vehicle, was it because one or more other objects inside the vehicle made forceful contact with them? Or because parts of the vehicle itself made contact with them?

When the object(s) contacted them, would you describe the men as being: slammed? pulled? pushed? gripped? dragged? sucked? catapulted? caught on something?

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:34 am

Did they hide under the driver's seat? In the engine? no to both

Is it a garbage truck? yes Is it a truck that has parts that crush/compact things? yes

by **Brian1976** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:49 am

Were the men hiding inside containers? no If so, boxes? barrels?
When they got ejected from the vehicle, was it because one or more other objects inside the vehicle made forceful contact with them? Or because parts of the vehicle itself made contact with them? yesish

When the object(s) contacted them, would you describe the men as being: slammed? pulled? pushed? gripped? dragged? sucked? catapulted? caught on something? now that it's been established that 'parts of the vehicle' caused them to be ejected, I'd say 'catapulted' comes closest from the choices on your list

by **peter365** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:20 am

Is this a prison break gone wrong? Did they conceal themselves in the garbage truck in order to be taken out of the prison compound. A guy was killed trying this during the troubles in Northern Ireland.

by **GalFisk** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:47 am

Is the field used for: crops? Pasture? Garbage? Nothing? Did they die because they fell out fo the truck? Because they hid inside? Does the truck owner own the field? Does the truck driver?

by **Brian1976** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:18 am

Is this a prison break gone wrong? Did they conceal themselves in the garbage truck in order to be taken out of the prison compound. yes to both! A guy was killed trying this during the troubles in Northern Ireland. ah, this particular case happened in the U.S.

by **Brian1976** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:20 am

Is the field used for: crops? Pasture? Garbage? this one Nothing?
Did they die because they fell out fo the truck? Because they hid inside? this one
Does the truck owner own the field? Does the truck driver? i don't have that info, but it doesn't matter now this puzzle is pretty much solved I think

by **Brian1976** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:33 am

Two inmates in a prison decided to try a prison break, they were given some work privileges which allowed them access to certain parts of the prison, they used that privilege to sneak off from their work assignments and climb into a visiting garbage truck that was carrying off the prison's weekly garbage with the hopes of being transported outside the prison unseen, what the inmates didn't think of though was garbage trucks have a mechanism that compresses and crushes the garbage once it is in the truck, both prisoners were tragically crushed to death, then dumped out with the garbage in the city garbage field where they were later found.

by **peter365** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:24 am

Nice puzzle Brian