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[CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:10 pm

If only one man had asked the question, it might be possible for a woman to still sing and dance in New York City.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby irishelk » Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:07 pm

A particular woman? Women in general? If the former, is it a famous woman? Is a law relevant? Buskers involved? Burlesque/strip acts?

Is a woman not allowed to do a particular song and dance in NYC? Is she not allowed in NYC at all? Is she not allowed to sing and dance at all? Or not able to do any of the above? Is she dead?

Is it one particular man who should have/would have asked the question? Could it be one of several men? Any man? Relevant that it would be one man and not another gender?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:14 pm

A particular woman? Maybe Women in general? More likely this
If the former, is it a famous woman? Likely, yes, but doesn't have to be the case Is a law relevant? Yes
Buskers involved? Burlesque/strip acts? No

Is a woman not allowed to do a particular song and dance in NYC? No, not this
Is she not allowed in NYC at all? No, not this Is she not allowed to sing and dance at all? No, not this
Or not able to do any of the above? Is she dead? No and FA here

Is it one particular man who should have/would have asked the question? No, it could be anyone
Could it be one of several men? Yes, or... Any man? ...this (but other possibilities too)
Relevant that it would be one man and not another gender? No, it could be any number of people and they could be male or female
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Mimino » Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:19 pm

Is there a famous quotation that implies that a woman can no longer sing and dance in New York? Maybe a quotation from a song?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:57 pm

Is there a famous quotation that implies that a woman can no longer sing and dance in New York? Maybe a quotation from a song? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Sundowner » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:49 pm

Is there a law that forbids women (some women?) to sing? and dance? in New York City? always? on some days? in some situations? allows singing? dancing? only under very strict preconditions?
Is this law generally known? enforced?
Was the law made to prevent women from singing and dancing in NYC? or is it just so weird and contradictory that, if strictly followed, singing and dancing would be illegal?
Was it a sensible law at the time when it was made?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:32 pm

Is there a law that forbids women (some women?) to sing? and dance? in New York City? Yes... always? ...no, it's only... on some days? ...this, and...in some situations? ...this.
allows singing? Yes, and... dancing? ...this, and... only under very strict preconditions? ...this as well.
Is this law generally known? enforced? It is very likely that one certain type of people know about the law, or are more likely to find out about it than others.
Was the law made to prevent women from singing and dancing in NYC? No, these are involved but the law prevents something else (see above questions)
or is it just so weird and contradictory that, if strictly followed, singing and dancing would be illegal? No, there is something besides just singing and dancing that is address by the law
Was it a sensible law at the time when it was made? Yes

Very good group of q's!
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Mimino » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:14 am

The something else addressed by the law: noise? people gathering? partying? being outdoors? visiting pubs, bars, theatres, ..? being outdoors after midnight? drinking alcohol? driving drunk? betting? gambling? street crime?
Was the law made during war time?
Was the idea of the law that women better stay at home during some days? in some situations? for their own health and safety?
One man had asked the question: to a woman? to a specific person? to each women the question should have been asked? by a man?
Ask the question as in marriage proposal? does the law only apply to unmarried women?
Or, rather, ask the question as in challenging the law? which would lead to the law being cancelled?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:56 pm

The something else addressed by the law: noise? people gathering? partying? being outdoors? People gathering and being outdoors are indirectly related to the law visiting pubs, bars, theatres, ..? being outdoors after midnight? drinking alcohol? driving drunk? betting? gambling? street crime? None of this is related
Was the law made during war time? No
Was the idea of the law that women better stay at home during some days? in some situations? for their own health and safety? No to these
One man had asked the question: to a woman? to a specific person? Yes, this to each women the question should have been asked? FA
by a man? Possibly but didn't have to be
Ask the question as in marriage proposal? does the law only apply to unmarried women? No to these
Or, rather, ask the question as in challenging the law? which would lead to the law being cancelled? No to these
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Earnest » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:47 pm

Is the question directly asked to the woman/women? Is the question simply "is there a group of women who can sing?" and the man was the owner of a famous pub?
Its the man a politician? Would the man have to ask the question to someone in particular? To himself? Written the question down?

sing and dance in New York City. --> in certain pubs? On stage? Publicly? Everywhere? Relevant?

Is Footloose involved?
Is the law directly related to dancing and singing? Or maybe to the way women dress/move when singing/dancing? Is only a certain types of dancing/singing forbidden? Any type? Is it forbidden always? Only in certain hours of the day?

Spies involved here? Could the law be considered a "security law"? A law to keep someone protected? A law that avoids exchanges of info? A law that avoids potentially risky situation? For women? For people in general?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:10 pm

Is the question directly asked Yes to the woman/women? In some cases, yes
Is the question simply "is there a group of women who can sing?" and the man was the owner of a famous pub? No, this is not the case
Its the man a politician? No Would the man have to ask the question to someone in particular? Yes
To himself? No Written the question down? No, the question would have been spoken

sing and dance in New York City. --> in certain pubs? On stage? This-ish, and... Publicly? ...this. Everywhere? No Relevant? Yes, the location and another aspect are both relevant

Is Footloose involved? No
Is the law directly related to dancing and singing? Yes but not primarily
Or maybe to the way women dress/move when singing/dancing? No it has nothing to do with this
Is only a certain types of dancing/singing forbidden? No, the law does not forbid dancing or singing Any type?
Is it forbidden always? Not always, no, but explore Only in certain hours of the day? The law does not make any restrictions regarding time

Spies involved here? No Could the law be considered a "security law"? No
A law to keep someone protected? No A law that avoids exchanges of info? No
A law that avoids potentially risky situation? Yes For women? For people in general? Yes, this
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby markobr » Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:41 pm

Does the law also prevent men from singing and/or dancing? Is the law directly related to public appearances? To making noise? To distract people from something? To work conditions? Safety? Contracts? Taxes? Zoning?

Does the law affect some specific genre of music more than others? Of dance? Relevant whether the woman performs as a soloist?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:09 pm

Does the law also prevent men from singing and/or dancing? Yes - but something else is involved (keep reading)
Is the law directly related to public appearances? Yes, one aspect of the law deals with this To making noise? No To distract people from something? Yes, this is addressed by the law as well To work conditions? No Safety? Yes, this is addressed by the law as well Contracts? Taxes? Zoning? No to these

Does the law affect some specific genre of music more than others? Of dance? No, it would apply to any type of music and/or dance
Relevant whether the woman performs as a soloist? No. The in the real life situation that led to the law there was only one woman performing, but it could just as easily have been a group, band, etc. - good question
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:10 pm

RECAP

The question could have been asked by a man or a woman
The question was asked by a person or persons to specific people
The relevant law allows women to sing and dance under certain conditions in NYC
The law addresses another issues besides singing and dancing
The issue of people gathering outdoors is indirectly related
The law addresses a situation that could be potentially risky

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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby irishelk » Sun May 16, 2021 12:55 pm

Does the law involve pedestrians being in the middle of the street? Or taking up space on the sidewalk? Noise concerns? Does the law in effect make it impossible for women to sing and dance on the street by imposing other restrictions? Anything to do with time of day? Day of the week? Holidays?

Would the question have prevented the law from being passed? Changed its wording? Made it inapplicable to women singing and dancing? Did it address unforeseen consequences? Did it suggest an alternative solution? Could it have been asked by any random citizen?
Would it have been asked to lawmakers? performers? the public at large?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 17, 2021 2:58 pm

Does the law involve pedestrians being in the middle of the street? Indirectly
Or taking up space on the sidewalk? No Noise concerns? Indirectly
Does the law in effect make it impossible for women to sing and dance on the street by imposing other restrictions? Not specifically but ORT Anything to do with time of day? Day of the week? Holidays? No to these

Would the question have prevented the law from being passed? No Changed its wording? No
Made it inapplicable to women singing and dancing? No Did it address unforeseen consequences? Yes, in a way Did it suggest an alternative solution? No Could it have been asked by any random citizen? Yes (and it was, many times)
Would it have been asked to lawmakers? No performers? Yes (and it was, many times)
the public at large? No, just to a performer and one other specific person
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Sundowner » Wed May 19, 2021 2:55 pm

Is the idea that it would still have been ok if only one man had asked the question? But instead, many people asked it?`
Was the question related to the performance? Did bystanders ask to repeat the performance?
Is the other issue the law addresses busking?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 19, 2021 2:58 pm

Is the idea that it would still have been ok if only one man had asked the question? But instead, many people asked it? Yes, at least one could speculate this
Was the question related to the performance? Yes Did bystanders ask to repeat the performance? Possibly but they would have asked the most relevant question first
Is the other issue the law addresses busking? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri May 28, 2021 2:11 am

Is Covid at all related?
Does this prevent only women from singing and dancing? Or would men, in the same circumstance, also be prevented?
Is the law national? Statewide? City-wide? Does it allow singing and dancing only under circumstances that never apply to women in NYC?
If the question was never asked at all, would it also be possible for women? Does the likelihood of women being able to sing and dance go down with each time the question is asked?
Is the question asked by someone wishing to hire the woman? Otherwise by agents/managers? By members of the audience? By passers-by? By city officials? By someone hoping for a date?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 28, 2021 2:57 pm

Is Covid at all related? No - this happened in 1993
Does this prevent only women from singing and dancing? Or would men, in the same circumstance, also be prevented? The law prevents a certain circumstance during which singing and dancing happened in 1993
Is the law national? Statewide? City-wide? It applies within a city
Does it allow singing and dancing only under circumstances that never apply to women in NYC? Its aim is to prevent a repeat of a situation in 1993 during which a woman sang and danced in NYC, and it's safe to assume that if not for the law many more women and men would have repeated the act that caused the law to be made because of something about NYC
If the question was never asked at all, would it also be possible for women? Yes but there's another aspect besides just asking the question. However it's safe to assume that if a woman repeated what was done in 1993 the same question would be asked by many people.
Does the likelihood of women being able to sing and dance go down with each time the question is asked? In a sense, yes. If the question had only been asked once it is possible that someone else could have done what was initially done. But because of numerous people asking the question and doing something else it became necessary to outlaw the situation from happening again - good question.
Is the question asked by someone wishing to hire the woman? Otherwise by agents/managers? By members of the audience?
By passers-by? THIS
By city officials? By someone hoping for a date? Not a date, but the people asking the question were hoping for something
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Sundowner » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:43 pm

Were the passers by hoping to get something from the woman? an autograph? CDs? merchandise?
Was the woman famous?
Did the people queue up in front of the woman?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:04 pm

Were the passers by hoping to get something from the woman? In an indirect way, yes an autograph? CDs? merchandise? Not this, less direct
Was the woman famous? Yes
Did the people queue up in front of the woman? No, this wasn't possible, but ORT
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:27 am

Were they asking her? Someone else? Was she famous for singing? Dancing? Something else? Was she pleased by the questions? Annoyed? Indifferent? Did she want to give them what they wanted to get? Was she able to?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:08 pm

Were they asking her? Some of them were, and... Someone else? ...also this, yes.
Was she famous for singing? Yes Dancing? Not that I know of, but on this occasion she was dancing Something else? She was known for something besides singing and dancing, but it's not nearly as relevant
Was she pleased by the questions? Probably Annoyed? Unknown Indifferent? Maybe, but not known
Did she want to give them what they wanted to get? Unknown Was she able to? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:50 pm

Someone else: someone she knows? Likes? A relative? Spouse? Manager? If only one man had asked, could she have given him what he wanted?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:21 pm

Someone else: someone she knows? It's unknown if she knows the other person or not Likes? Not relevant
A relative? Spouse? Manager? No to all
If only one man had asked, could she have given him what he wanted? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:32 pm

Did they want: an object? An action? A favor? Was the other person being asked in the same place at the same time? Were questions asked to both at the same time? Was the other person mistaken for her? Did she think she'd be asked this? Did she cause a problem?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:59 pm

Did they want: an object? No An action? A favor? Yes to both of these
Was the other person being asked in the same place at the same time? Yes
Were questions asked to both at the same time? Quite likely, yes
Was the other person mistaken for her? No
Did she think she'd be asked this? Well, maybe, but due to an undiscovered thing about her she might not have expected it Did she cause a problem? Oh yes, for sure!
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:15 am

Problem: accident? Traffic jam? Crime? Breach of Covid restrictions?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:01 pm

Problem: accident? Traffic jam? Yes, this Crime?
Breach of Covid restrictions? No, this happened in 1993
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:55 am

Was there a big crowd? If they hadn't asked this thing, would there still be a traffic jam? Were they asking for an encore?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:05 pm

Was there a big crowd? Well, big enough, yes
If they hadn't asked this thing, would there still be a traffic jam? Possibly, but explore this more
Were they asking for an encore? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Sundowner » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:42 pm

Was the woman otherwise famous as: actress? writer? politician? politician's wife? tv celebrity? athlete? artist? scientist?
Was the traffic jam caused by people driving slow? in order to see whether this is actually ... dancing there? or did they have to slow down because of the crowd that had gathered there?
Did she dance in the middle of a street? in the middle of a crossroads or roundabout?
Did she do that for fun? to celebrate? to raise money? to raise awareness for something? to get publicity? as part of a challenge or lost wager? for a video clip?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:36 pm

Was the woman otherwise famous as: actress? writer? politician? politician's wife? tv celebrity? athlete? artist? scientist? None of these - to clarify, she was only famous as a singer, but people knew something else about her that added to her fame
Was the traffic jam caused by people driving slow? Partly, yes... in order to see whether this is actually ... dancing there? ...yes but that was not primarily the reason that they were driving slow. or did they have to slow down because of the crowd that had gathered there? Mostly this, but also because something else was happening
Did she dance in the middle of a street? in the middle of a crossroads or roundabout? Yes, in a way, to all of this, but there is another relevant thing about what she did
Did she do that for fun? to celebrate? to raise money? to raise awareness for something? to get publicity? as part of a challenge or lost wager? Not this, but...
for a video clip? ...yes, this, she was making a music video.
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Sundowner » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:02 am

Did she perform on a truck? (I remember such music videos were popular, where a band or singer performs on a truck while the truck is driving right through a big city)
Is her outfit relevant? Was it unusual for a singer? Did she dress up as someone else?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:36 pm

Did she perform on a truck? (I remember such music videos were popular, where a band or singer performs on a truck while the truck is driving right through a big city) YES
Is her outfit relevant? Was it unusual for a singer? Did she dress up as someone else? No to all of these
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Doriana » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:51 pm

Did people ask for her photo? ask if they could join her on the truck? ask her to make a detour?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:46 pm

Did people ask for her photo? No
ask if they could join her on the truck? Yes!
ask her to make a detour? No

Someone can end it, or I’ll do so shortly...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby Sundowner » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:30 am

Is there now a law that forbids doing music videos on a truck? doing them in streets/public places in NYC?
Or does the law forbid trucks above a certain size to enter NYC?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] I May Not Heart New York

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:15 pm

Is there now a law that forbids doing music videos on a truck? Yes, and specifically... doing them in streets/public places in NYC? ...this.
Or does the law forbid trucks above a certain size to enter NYC Not related


**** SPOILER ****

In 1993, the singer Bjork recorded a music video while riding on the back of a flatbed truck through Manhattan in NYC. This caused traffic to be slowed down massively, as numerous people approached the truck and asked the driver if they could have a ride. At the time there was no law against doing such a thing, but one was created to avoid future traffic problems and reduce the risk of pedestrians being injured by running into the street to approach a vehicle.

For anyone curious, here's a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9dEkGNL2xQ

NOTE: The "other thing" that Bjork is known for besides singing is doing somewhat unusual things, which possibly caused people to assume they could approach her while filming the video


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