[JenBurdoo] White Paper

[JenBurdoo1]

The British government publishes a document in Welsh, even though it does not apply to Wales, nor do the people about which it is written live there or have anything to do with Wales. Why?

[Sarisberie]

Modern document? Relating to past, present or future times? Boundaries relevant? Some kind of test or requirement for people who want to live there? Written in Welsh so that most people can't understand it? Code?

[JenBurdoo1]

Modern document? Yes. Relating to past, present This. or future times? Boundaries relevant? No. Some kind of test or requirement for people who want to live there? No. Written in Welsh so that most people can't understand it? Yes. Code? No.

[Sundowner64]

Are the government legally required to publish the document in Welsh? do they publish versions in several languages, one of them being Welsh?
Is the document intended to be read by Welsh people? by others? Does the document contain information specifically for Welsh speakers? for people in Wales? for Welsh speakers abroad?
Is the document an instruction of some sorts? a school/university text book? A collection of Welsh literature? poems? songs? Welsh laws?

[GalFisk]

Do they do it with good intentions? Bad? By mistake?

[JenBurdoo1]

Are the government legally required to publish the document in Welsh? do they publish versions in several languages, one of them being Welsh? No to both.
Is the document intended to be read by Welsh people? by others? Does the document contain information specifically for Welsh speakers? for people in Wales? for Welsh speakers abroad? No to all.
Is the document an instruction of some sorts? a school/university text book? A collection of Welsh literature? poems? songs? Welsh laws? No to all.

Do they do it with good intentions? This. Bad? By mistake? No.

[GalFisk]

Is this done for the benefit of a person? Group? The Welsh? Relevant who wrote it? Who'll read it? Will anyone? Will someone need to translate it? Is it written for the benefit if translators? Machine translation relevant? Machine learning? Other computer tech?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is this done for the benefit of a person? This. Group? The Welsh? Relevant who wrote it? Yes. Who'll read it? Will anyone? No one relevant. Will someone need to translate it? Is it written for the benefit if translators? Machine translation relevant? Machine learning? Other computer tech? No to the rest.

[GalFisk]

Did it benefit the person who wrote it? Did a different person get to write it than if it had been in English?

[JenBurdoo1]

Did it benefit the person who wrote it? Did a different person get to write it than if it had been in English? No to both.

[Sundowner64]

Does anyone benefit at all from the document? one person? Her Majesty?
Will anyone ever read the document? (except from those who print it)
Is it handwritten? printed? hardcopied? published in the internet? available to the general public?
Is the content of the document relevant? or just the fact that it is in Welsh? does it have to be Welsh in order to fulfil its purpose? would other non-English languages do as well?
Is the purpose of the document to maintain a right or claim?

[JenBurdoo1]

Does anyone benefit at all from the document? Yes. one person? Assume this. Her Majesty? No.
Will anyone ever read the document? (except from those who print it) Assume no.
Is it handwritten? printed? This. hardcopied? published in the internet? No. available to the general public? Yes.
Is the content of the document relevant? Yes. or just the fact that it is in Welsh? No. does it have to be Welsh in order to fulfil its purpose? No, but... would other non-English languages do as well? Yes.
Is the purpose of the document to maintain a right or claim? No, but you have the right idea.

[Sundowner64]

Has the document been published in one occasion? is it published regularly? yearly? by each new government?
Do they regularly publish a document of this kind, but the content varies? or is it always the same content?
Is the document published by Her Majesty's Government? by the Prime Minister? by some other member of the government? by a government institution? by the Royal House? by the Privy Council? by the goverment of Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland? by a local government?
Is the purpose of the document to assert the government's right to publish their documents in any language? to assert that there is no official language in the UK?
Is there a relevant tradition linked to this document?

[JenBurdoo1]

Has the document been published in one occasion? is it published regularly? This. yearly? by each new government?
Do they regularly publish a document of this kind, but the content varies? This. or is it always the same content?
Is the document published by Her Majesty's Government? This. by the Prime Minister? by some other member of the government? by a government institution? by the Royal House? by the Privy Council? by the goverment of Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland? by a local government?
Is the purpose of the document to assert the government's right to publish their documents in any language? to assert that there is no official language in the UK? No to both.
Is there a relevant tradition linked to this document? No, but OTRT.

[Sarisberie]

Is the person the Prince of Wales? Is it published in Welsh for historical, heraldic or traditional reasons? (Prince Charles speaks Welsh btw - relevant? Ditto Prince William, who will become P.o.Wales when Charles is king.)
Is it published regularly so that any changes or updates are kept current? Date/s relevant?
Other royal, or significant, person/s? Family tree, births, deaths, marriages in royal families?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is the person the Prince of Wales? Is it published in Welsh for historical, heraldic or traditional reasons? (Prince Charles speaks Welsh btw - relevant? Ditto Prince William, who will become P.o.Wales when Charles is king.) No to all. It would not apply to either Charles or William.
Is it published regularly so that any changes or updates are kept current? Date/s relevant? It is published in an ongoing manner, but each individual issue applies to specific dates and people. The date is mildly relevant.
Other royal, or significant, person/s? Mildly significant, at least to the extent it was considered necessary to publish in a different language. Family tree, births, deaths, marriages in royal families? No to all. Royalty irrelevant.

[Sundowner64]

So there is one mildly significant person who will benefit from this document? but probably never read it? and very likely noone at all will ever read the document?
So, this person will benefit from the bare existence of the document? from the fact that it is in Welsh?
If you say, the document applies to specific people, is that the same people or person who will benefit from the document?
Is it each time a different person who benefits when the document is issued? Is the document issued specifically for the benefit of that person?
Does the document grant something to that person?
Is the benefit of practical value? or rather something symbolic, like a title?
Do the people who benefit actually know that they benefit? Does the benefit exist already, the document is just to confirm it?
Do the people who benefit actually understand Welsh?
Is the document published in Welsh just because it has been published in Welsh all the time?
Is the document published in Wales? or on behalf of the Prince of Wales?
Does the document have a historical link to Wales? (like it refers to something that used to belong to Wales or Welsh people in the past, but not any more in our times?)

[JenBurdoo1]

So there is one mildly significant person who will benefit from this document? Yes. but probably never read it? Correct. and very likely no one at all will ever read the document? Correct.
So, this person will benefit from the bare existence of the document? Yes. from the fact that it is in Welsh? No, but...
If you say, the document applies to specific people, is that the same people or person who will benefit from the document? Yes.
Is it each time a different person who benefits when the document is issued? Is the document issued specifically for the benefit of that person? Yes to both.
Does the document grant something to that person? No.
Is the benefit of practical value? Of the document? No. Under these circumstances? Yes. or rather something symbolic, like a title? Closer to the latter.
Do the people who benefit actually know that they benefit? Not necessarily. Does the benefit exist already, the document is just to confirm it? Assume yes.
Do the people who benefit actually understand Welsh? Assume no.
Is the document published in Welsh just because it has been published in Welsh all the time? No.
Is the document published in Wales? Yes. or on behalf of the Prince of Wales? No.
Does the document have a historical link to Wales? (like it refers to something that used to belong to Wales or Welsh people in the past, but not any more in our times?) No.

[Sundowner64]

Is the document published in Welsh for legal reasons? is there an obscure law that requires the document being published in Welsh?
Do all official documents of the government that are published in Wales have to be in Welsh?
Is there a reason why the document is published in Wales, although it apparently has no connection to Wales?
Does the document assert a privilege? right? nobility? membership of sorts?
Are the beneficiaries British citizens? individuals? organisations? companies? English? Scots? Irish? Welsh? foreigners?
Does the document bestow citizenship?
Is the document a passport? (I've once heard that British citizens can demand their passport in Welsh but this might be a legend)

[JenBurdoo1]

Is the document published in Welsh for legal reasons? No. is there an obscure law that requires the document being published in Welsh? No.
Do all official documents of the government that are published in Wales have to be in Welsh? No.
Is there a reason why the document is published in Wales, although it apparently has no connection to Wales? Yes.
Does the document assert a privilege? right? nobility? membership of sorts? This, for sufficiently vague value of "membership."
Are the beneficiaries British citizens? No, but... individuals? This. organisations? companies? English? Scots? Irish? Welsh? foreigners? This.
Does the document bestow citizenship? Not quite, but citizenship is the end goal.
Is the document a passport? No. (I've once heard that British citizens can demand their passport in Welsh but this might be a legend) Not related.

[Sundowner64]

Is the main goal of this document to give some people access to British citizenship? which they otherwise would not have?
Is this sort of an "emergency nationalization" when someone should get British citizenship but the normal way through immigration law does not work?
Do these people actually live in Britain? Will they settle in Britain?
Does the document also state some obligations of the person? Do they have to do something? fulfil an office (albeit just formally)? take residence in Britain? in Wales?
Does the document bestow membership in some order of merit? or order of chivalry? an (maybe formal) office to the Royal Household?
Does it confirm that the person has Welsh ancestors?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is the main goal of this document to give some people access to British citizenship? which they otherwise would not have? Yes to both.
Is this sort of an "emergency nationalization" when someone should get British citizenship but the normal way through immigration law does not work? This is the normal way, but there is an emergency of sorts.
Do these people actually live in Britain? Will they settle in Britain? Yes to both.
Does the document also state some obligations of the person? Do they have to do something? fulfil an office (albeit just formally)? take residence in Britain? in Wales? No to all.
Does the document bestow membership in some order of merit? or order of chivalry? an (maybe formal) office to the Royal Household? No to all.
Does it confirm that the person has Welsh ancestors? No.

[Sarisberie]

Is there a point at which this document will no longer be published? Is this real or fictional? Mabinogion relevant? Particular site in Wales relevant? Does "membership" = someone who can demonstrate they are welsh or have the right connection to the document? Is the document a list of people who are welsh, with their family trees... so that a person who wants to claim welsh citizenship can attempt to prove they have a welsh relative, thereby claiming nationality? Do they have a set time to achieve this? Would this be used when non-English or non-British nationals want to settle in Wales, which might still consider them? Does the document provide them with the required info?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is there a point at which this document will no longer be published? Assume no. Is this real or fictional? Real. Mabinogion relevant? No. Particular site in Wales relevant? No. Does "membership" = someone who can demonstrate they are welsh No. or have the right connection to the document? The other way round - the document is a step towards conferring membership. Is the document a list of people who are welsh, with their family trees... so that a person who wants to claim welsh citizenship can attempt to prove they have a welsh relative, thereby claiming nationality? No. Do they have a set time to achieve this? No. Would this be used when non-English or non-British nationals want to settle in Wales, which might still consider them? The settlement of a foreigner is relevant, but he does not intend to live in Wales. Does the document provide them with the required info? No.

[Sundowner64]

Does the document certify something? "goodness" to be naturalized? is it a necessary prerequisite for naturalization? one of several possible ways?
Do similar documents in English exist? Is it somehow faster or easier to handle when the document is in Welsh? Is it to bypass a bottleneck in handing the immigration requests?
Does the document certify that the holder is proficient in Welsh language? that he has passed a test of some sorts? that he has a clean criminal record?

[JenBurdoo1]

Does the document certify something? No. "goodness" to be naturalized? No. is it a necessary prerequisite for naturalization? Yesish. one of several possible ways? No - this is a specific step in the process.
Do similar documents in English exist? Yes. Is it somehow faster or easier to handle when the document is in Welsh? No, but... Is it to bypass a bottleneck in handing the immigration requests? No, but...
Does the document certify that the holder is proficient in Welsh language? that he has passed a test of some sorts? that he has a clean criminal record? None of these - it is not a certification.

[Sarisberie]

WAG: Stonehenge relevant? Other location in UK relevant, if so [list of locations]? Topography of Wales? Would this puzzle work if the document were in English? In another language besides Welsh?

[JenBurdoo1]

WAG: Stonehenge relevant? No. Other location in UK relevant, if so [list of locations]? London, and only because that's where the person named in the document is. Topography of Wales? No. Would this puzzle work if the document were in English? No. In another language besides Welsh? Yes.

[Sarisberie]

In a specific language besides Welsh? [List of languages] please? Relevant?

[JenBurdoo1]

In a specific language besides Welsh? [List of languages] please? If Welsh hadn't been used, then most likely a different Gaelic language - Scots, Irish, Cornish ... Relevant? Not really. The key is to find out why they didn't just publish the document in the usual publication and language (which was English, btw).

[Sundowner64]

Would it have taken longer to publish it in the usual publication? would it have been more expensive? would it not have gained the necessary attention? because of a lot of similar documents in that publication?
Is a document of this kind published in every case when a foreigner wants to obtain UK citizenship? Usually in English but in a few exceptional cases in Welsh? Is it a proclamation or banns?
As you did not mention Manx in the list of languages: would it not work if the document was in Manx? or published on the Isle of Man?

[JenBurdoo1]

Would it have taken longer to publish it in the usual publication? would it have been more expensive? would it not have gained the necessary attention? because of a lot of similar documents in that publication? No to all.
Is a document of this kind published in every case when a foreigner wants to obtain UK citizenship? Yes. Usually in English Yes. but in a few exceptional cases in Welsh? Just one case, to my knowledge. Is it a proclamation or banns? Something like that.
As you did not mention Manx in the list of languages: would it not work if the document was in Manx? or published on the Isle of Man? There is a slight possibility that publishing in Manx would have been detrimental.

[Sundowner64]

Would it not work in Manx because the Isle of Man is not part of the UK?
Is the publication something like an official government gazette? like the London Gazette?
Is there a specific edition of this publication in Welsh? or did it only in this one special case contain one document in Welsh?

[JenBurdoo1]

Would it not work in Manx because the Isle of Man is not part of the UK? Not the (unlikely) reason.
Is the publication something like an official government gazette? The document is published in the gazette, yes. like the London Gazette? I believe so.
Is there a specific edition of this publication in Welsh? No. or did it only in this one special case contain one document in Welsh? The document was not, though normally it would be, published in the Gazette, but in a Welsh publication which need not be specifically determined.

[Sundowner64]

Is the Welsh publication actually published in Wales?
Does it appeare more often? less often than the Gazette?
Does it have a different audience?
Did the government want to have the document published faster? at less expenses?
Did the government want relevant people to read the document? relevant people not to read it?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is the Welsh publication actually published in Wales? Yes.
Does it appear more often? less often than the Gazette? This.
Does it have a different audience? Yes.
Did the government want to have the document published faster? at less expenses? Neither.
Did the government want relevant people to read the document? relevant people not to read it? This.

[Sundowner64]

Was the government afraid someone coud object to giving that person British citizenship?
So they published the proclamation in Welsh, hoping that the people who might object would not understand it?
Was this during war time? Was the person who should get citizenship from an enemy country?
Did the person for a particular reason need British citizenship? like: to take on a public office? to run in an election? to marry a royal? to be protected from extradtion?

[JenBurdoo1]

Was the government afraid someone could object to giving that person British citizenship? Yes.
So they published the proclamation in Welsh, hoping that the people who might object would not understand it? More that they wouldn't notice it.
Was this during war time? Close. Was the person who should get citizenship from an enemy country? Yes.
Did the person for a particular reason need British citizenship? Yes. like: to take on a public office? to run in an election? to marry a royal? to be protected from extradtion? This.



SPOILER:



This occurred in the late 1930s, when a German diplomat wished to defect to Britain. Because it was required by law to publish the names of those who applied for British citizenship, the British government quietly published instead in the Welsh language, in a Welsh paper that German security services would be unlikely to read.

[Sarisberie]

Brilliant