[Bardificer] That means you do care

[Bardificer]

Kailey, Jenna and George are discussing pets.
George say something that makes Kailey roll her eyes, thinking that he just made a dumb error.
Jenna thinks something much worse about him.
What did he say?

[GalFisk]

Did he use a double negative? Or (from Kailey's perspective) try to use one but flubbed it? Was he saying something about a pet? His pet? More than one pet? Are Kailey, Jenna and George HA? Did Jenna also think he made an error? Or that he confessed something? Tried to hint at something? Does she think he: kills? Tortures? Neglects? Does something bad to/with pets? Other humans? Objects? Abstract conceps? Such as money?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Did he use a double negative? No. Or (from Kailey's perspective) try to use one but flubbed it? No, but OTRTish. Was he saying something about a pet? Yes. His pet? Yes. More than one pet? No. Are Kailey, Jenna and George HA? Yes.
Did Jenna also think he made an error? No. Or that he confessed something? Essentially, yes. Tried to hint at something? Yesish. Does she think he: kills? Tortures? This. Neglects? Does something bad to/with pets? to his pet, yes. Other humans? Objects? Abstract conceps? Such as money? No to rest.

[GalFisk]

Relevant what pet he has? If so: dog? Cat? Bird? Fish? Reptile? Primate? Livestock?
Relevant what he actually meant to say? How he actually treats his pet?
Is the inferred torture related to a relevant thing/activity he could do with/to his pet? If so: feeding? Watering? Grooming? Cleaning? Cuddling? Playing? Training? Restraining? Caging? Muzzling? Medicating? Punishing? Encouraging? Prohibiting? Spaying or neutering relevant? Mating/reproduction? Relevant what gender his pet is?

Edit: relevant that "pet" has more than one meaning?

[Sundowner64]

Did George say something about what he is doing with his pet? about what his pet is doing?
Does George's statement refer to places where the pet is kept? to nutrition? vet care? grooming the pet?
Did Kailey misunderstand George's words? did Jenna?
Did George use a word in a different sense? or a word with double meaning? (like: kennel can mean dog house but also a fenced area in the backyard where a dog is kept)

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Relevant what pet he has? Yes, one is most likely. If so: dog? This. Cat? Bird? Fish? Reptile? Primate? Livestock?
Relevant what he actually meant to say? Yes. How he actually treats his pet? A bit, yes.
Is the inferred torture related to a relevant thing/activity he could do with/to his pet? Yes. If so: feeding? This is somewhat relevant. Watering? Grooming? Cleaning? Cuddling? Playing? Training? This is involved. Restraining? Caging? Muzzling? Medicating? Punishing? And this. Encouraging? Prohibiting? Spaying or neutering relevant? Mating/reproduction? Relevant what gender his pet is? No to rest.

Edit: relevant that "pet" has more than one meaning? No, interesting thought.


Sundowner64

Did George say something about what he is doing with his pet? Yes. about what his pet is doing? Indirectly, yes.
Does George's statement refer to places where the pet is kept? to nutrition? In a vague sense. vet care? grooming the pet? No to rest.
Did Kailey misunderstand George's words? Yes. did Jenna? Yes.
Did George use a word in a different sense? I would say he used all his words in the normal, correct sense. or a word with double meaning? (like: kennel can mean dog house but also a fenced area in the backyard where a dog is kept) Noish.

[GalFisk]

Dog food relevant? Treats? Human food that dogs sometimes eats? Torture: hunger? Starvation? Inedible food? Unreachable but seeable or smellable food? Unhealthy (for dogs) food? Do they think the dog is allowed to eat something that makes it sick?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Dog food relevant? No. Treats? Yes. Human food that dogs sometimes eats? I'll say yes.
Torture: hunger? Starvation? Inedible food? Unreachable but seeable or smellable food? This exactly, plus something else. Unhealthy (for dogs) food?
Do they think the dog is allowed to eat something that makes it sick? No.

[GalFisk]

Is anyone in the puzzle confused by multiple meanings of the word "treat"? Do we need to figure out the exact treat? Does it have meat? Treats used as reward in training relevant? Relevant what the punishment is for? Eating food that the dog thought it'd get relevant?

[trebor2]

Relevant what language they're conversing in? Is it the first language for all of them? Is there a misunderstanding of an idiom?

Is it relevant what pets Kailey and Jenna have? Are any of these people romantically involved with each other?

Does this involve George's dog doing a trick?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Is anyone in the puzzle confused by multiple meanings of the word "treat"? No. Do we need to figure out the exact treat? Yes. Does it have meat? No. Treats used as reward in training relevant? Yes. Relevant what the punishment is for? No. Eating food that the dog thought it'd get relevant? No, no such monsters in this puzzle .


trebor2

Relevant what language they're conversing in? I believe so, assume English. Is it the first language for all of them? Irr. Is there a misunderstanding of an idiom? YES.

Is it relevant what pets Kailey and Jenna have? No. Are any of these people romantically involved with each other? Irr.

Does this involve George's dog doing a trick? Yes.

[GalFisk]

Relevant which trick the dog does? Does the treat have a relevant brand name?

[Biograd1]

Is the treat a bone? Is the figurative meaning of "throw me a bone" or "give me a bone" relevant?

[doriana_]

Is the phrase "trick or treat" relevant?

[trebor2]

In case it matters what trick it is... Sit? Stay? Come? Speak? Shake a paw? Roll over? Heel? Get me a beer from the fridge? (Someday, maybe. Someday.)

Relevant what breed of dog?

Is the treat a fruit? Vegetable? Something that we would think of as regular human food? That this dog sometimes eats? That other dogs wouldn't? (Trying to get at why it wasn't a clear yes to the question of whether this is human food that dogs sometimes eat.) Is it more commonly thought of as dog food? Food for another animal? Not thought of as food at all?

[JohnFriday]

Is George saying he's using "carrot and stick" method to train his dog? And Kailey thinks he's made an error because dogs don't really like carrots? And Jenna thinks he is physically abusing his dog (with a stick)?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Relevant which trick the dog does? No. Does the treat have a relevant brand name? No.


Biograd1

Is the treat a bone? No. Is the figurative meaning of "throw me a bone" or "give me a bone" relevant? No.


doriana_

Is the phrase "trick or treat" relevant? No.


trebor2

In case it matters what trick it is Irr. ... Sit? Stay? Come? Speak? Shake a paw? Roll over? Heel? Get me a beer from the fridge? (Someday, maybe. Someday.) I keep showing my dog those videos, but she hasn't figured it out yet T_T.

Relevant what breed of dog? No.

Is the treat a fruit? Vegetable? This. Something that we would think of as regular human food? Yes. That this dog sometimes eats? Yes. That other dogs wouldn't? (Trying to get at why it wasn't a clear yes to the question of whether this is human food that dogs sometimes eat.) I've known several dogs who like it, but I don't know how universal that is. Is it more commonly thought of as dog food? Food for another animal? Not thought of as food at all?


JohnFriday

Is George saying he's using "carrot and stick" method to train his dog? Yes! Nice guess! And welcome. And Kailey thinks he's made an error because dogs don't really like carrots? No... And Jenna thinks he is physically abusing his dog (with a stick)? Yes.

You've got Jenna's misconception, now all that's left is: what did Kailey think he said incorrectly? His exact wording somewhat matters.

[GalFisk]

Did Kailey think he said somethign incorrectly about: the stick? The carrot? The dog? Something else? does George say anything about what constitutes the "carrot"? The "stick"?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Did Kailey think he said something incorrectly about: the stick? The carrot? The dog? Vaguely yes to all, but... Something else? Another word is most relevant. does George say anything about what constitutes the "carrot"? The "stick"? Noish.

[GalFisk]

Is the other word about: the training? George? George's home?

[trebor2]

Does the other word have to do with: dangling? Holding? Using? Baiting? Nose? Face? Is it "on"? ("I used the old carrot and stick on him?", for example?)

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Is the other word about: the training? Somewhat, yes. George? Indirectly. George's home? No.


trebor2

Does the other word have to do with: dangling? Holding? Using? Baiting? Nose? Face? Is it "on"? ("I used the old carrot and stick on him?", for example?) None of these directly. It does (kinda) refer to the use of the carrot and stick, but it's not a verb.

[Sarisberie]

Is it a noun? A homonym? Is it worth exploring other uses of items, e.g. a carrot being used as a snowman's nose? (WAG, I know). How about having an item in the trainer's mouth?

[Bardificer]

Sarisberie

Is it a noun? No, and to save some pain, it's an adverb.
A homonym? No. Is it worth exploring other uses of items, e.g. a carrot being used as a snowman's nose? (WAG, I know). Good wag! But no. How about having an item in the trainer's mouth? No.

[GalFisk]

Do we need to know what he uses as "the carrot"? What he uses as "the stick"? How he uses either? When?

[Sarisberie]

"Is there a parrot in this puzzle? There must be, surely?"
"No there isn't, and don't call me Shirley".

[trebor2]

Does she think he's using a keratin stick?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Do we need to know what he uses as "the carrot"? Yes. What he uses as "the stick"? Yes. How he uses either? Yes. When? No.


Sarisberie

"Is there a parrot in this puzzle? There must be, surely?"
"No there isn't, and don't call me Shirley".
Asked and answered . No parrots or Airplanes.


trebor2

Does she think he's using a keratin stick? No, good thought.

Tiny hint to make up for my long absence:

Kailey assumes that George is using a word incorrectly in a way that is a common pet peeve among language pedants. But he is not.

[GalFisk]

Is the carrot food? Attention? Petting? A clicker? Word(s)? Is the stick a stick? Being ignored? Withholding something? Pain? Is "I could care less" relevant? Some other oft misspoken idiom?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Is the carrot food? Yes. Attention? Petting? A clicker? Word(s)? Is the stick a stick? Yes! Being ignored? Withholding something? Pain? No to rest.

Is "I could care less" relevant? No... Some other oft misspoken idiom? Yesish, not quite an idiom but a similar type of error.

[GalFisk]

Is the stick used to: poke? Hit? Threaten? Cause pain? Play fetch? Restrain? Is the carrot some food the dog especially enjoys? Relevant what it is exactly?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Is the stick used to: poke? Hit? Threaten? Cause pain? Play fetch? This, or similar. Restrain? No to rest.
Is the carrot some food the dog especially enjoys? Yes. Relevant what it is exactly? Yes.

[Sarisberie]

Is there some kind of ambiguity or interchange between the carrot and the stick? E.g. The dog eats the stick instead of the carrot? The carrot is gobbled instantaneously? Is the carrot an actual carrot? Some substitute for a carrot? Is there a mistake? Some kind of switch between carrot and stick? Distance, terrain, relevant? Is the dog blindfold?
Sorry if I'm repeating Q's.

[Bardificer]

Sarisberie

Is there some kind of ambiguity or interchange between the carrot and the stick? I'll say yesish, in a sense they perform the same role.
E.g. The dog eats the stick instead of the carrot? The carrot is gobbled instantaneously? No to these.
Is the carrot an actual carrot? Yes! Some substitute for a carrot? Is there a mistake? Some kind of switch between carrot and stick? Distance, terrain, relevant? Is the dog blindfold? No to rest.

[GalFisk]

Is the actual carrot a reward? A punishment? Is it given to the dog? Thrown to fetch? Is the actual stick a reward? Does Kelley think George has the symbolic stick and carrot confused?

[Sundowner64]

Did George mention that he's playing "stick and carrot" with his dog? meaning that the dog fetches the stick and gets a carrot in reward?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Is the actual carrot a reward? Yes. A punishment? No. Is it given to the dog? Yes. Thrown to fetch? Not relevantly. Is the actual stick a reward? Yes! Does Kelley think George has the symbolic stick and carrot confused? No, but I think OTRT.


Sundowner64

Did George mention that he's playing "stick and carrot" with his dog? Not exactly this, but he does name both. meaning that the dog fetches the stick and gets a carrot in reward? Fetching irr, but yes, the stick and carrot are both positives for the dog.

[GalFisk]

Does Kailey understand that it's an actual stick? An actual carrot? That the stick is a reward? That the carrot is a reward? Does Jenna understand that it's an actual stick? An actual carrot? That the stick is a reward? That the carrot is a reward?

[Sundowner64]

Is the stick actually a chew stick? Did George mention that he "gives the dog the stick"? or when the dog does not like the carrot, he will get the stick?

[JenBurdoo1]

Is the carrot tied to a stick so that it can be dangled before the dog, or tossed and drawn back? (Huh, I could use this idiom when playing with my cats)

[Sarisberie]

Is the dog in the habit of chewing the stick? Might this cause his mouth to bleed, or other negative effect? Is the carrot substituted for the stick? Does the dog fetch the stick, then George switches out the stick for the carrot, i.e. as a reward for fetching the stick? Presumably George wouldn't throw the carrot, because the dog would simply chew the carrot up rather than returning it? Training relevant? (Soz if these have been asked before).

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Does Kailey understand that it's an actual stick? No. An actual carrot? No, good q's. That the stick is a reward? No. That the carrot is a reward? Yes. Does Jenna understand that it's an actual stick? Yes. An actual carrot? Yes. That the stick is a reward? No. That the carrot is a reward? Yes.


Sundowner64

Is the stick actually a chew stick? Yes. Did George mention that he "gives the dog the stick"? This idea, just not in those words. or when the dog does not like the carrot, he will get the stick? Not exactly, though this could be true.


JenBurdoo1

Is the carrot tied to a stick so that it can be dangled before the dog, or tossed and drawn back? (Huh, I could use this idiom when playing with my cats) No/irr, but that would make a good toy for dogs and cats.


Sarisberie

Is the dog in the habit of chewing the stick? Irr. Might this cause his mouth to bleed, or other negative effect? Irr. Is the carrot substituted for the stick? Not necessarily. Does the dog fetch the stick, then George switches out the stick for the carrot, i.e. as a reward for fetching the stick? Presumably George wouldn't throw the carrot, because the dog would simply chew the carrot up rather than returning it? Training relevant? (Soz if these have been asked before) No/irr to rest.

[GalFisk]

Does Jenna think he's punishing the dog when he should be rewarding it? Does Kailey think he doesn't understand that the stick means a punishment? That the carrot means a reward?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Does Jenna think he's punishing the dog when he should be rewarding it? She incorrectly believes that he is punishing the dog.
Does Kailey think he doesn't understand that the stick means a punishment? That the carrot means a reward? Hm...No, she knows that he knows that, but she thinks he is making a common error with one word that he uses.

[GalFisk]

Do we need to find out more about what Jenna thinks is going on? Or is that bit done? Does George actually make any errors? Is Kailey's misunderstanding only possible becuase the stick is a reward? Does George intend to cause any misunderstanding?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Do we need to find out more about what Jenna thinks is going on? Or is that bit done? That bit is done: she incorrectly thinks he is using a stick to punish his dog.
Does George actually make any errors? No.
Is Kailey's misunderstanding only possible because the stick is a reward? Actually, no. Does George intend to cause any misunderstanding? No.

[Sarisberie]

Does Jenna think that 'get the carrot' means 'fetch the carrot' as opposed to 'receive the carrot as a reward'? But then, if the dog subsequently eats the carrot before bringing it back, Jenna thinks the dog 'gets the stick' as a punishment? Whereas maybe he just gets given the stick to play with for the rest of the time, rather than being rewarded with a fetched carrot? Are there multiple carrots?

[Bardificer]

Sarisberie

Does Jenna think that 'get the carrot' means 'fetch the carrot' as opposed to 'receive the carrot as a reward'? But then, if the dog subsequently eats the carrot before bringing it back, Jenna thinks the dog 'gets the stick' as a punishment? This is possible, the relevant part of Jenna's misunderstanding is she thinks when George "uses the stick" he is hitting the dog.
Whereas maybe he just gets given the stick to play with for the rest of the time, rather than being rewarded with a fetched carrot? In actuality, the dog receives both sticks and carrots as rewards. Are there multiple carrots? Most likely, over time.

TINY HINT:

When describing his training method, George uses a particular word that makes Jenna think he's hitting his dog with a stick, while Kailey thinks he is using the word wrong, as people often do.

[GalFisk]

Is the problematic word synonymous to "use"? Does Jenna understand that it's a literal stick? Does Kailey? Is George actually telling them how he uses the stick as a reward? Is he playing fetch?

[Sarisberie]

When you say people often do', do you mean that people often get this particular word wrong, or misuse it out of context?
Is the dog a whippet by any chance? 'Whip-it"? "Beat it" as in "run away, and fetch the stick again". "Take it" as in "take the stick" as opposed to "take the punishment"?

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Is the problematic word synonymous to "use"? No. Does Jenna understand that it's a literal stick? Yes. Does Kailey? No, great question. Is George actually telling them how he uses the stick as a reward? No. Is he playing fetch? No.


Sarisberie

When you say people often do', do you mean that people often get this particular word wrong, or misuse it out of context? People often misuse it.
Is the dog a whippet by any chance? 'Whip-it"? "Beat it" as in "run away, and fetch the stick again". "Take it" as in "take the stick" as opposed to "take the punishment"? No to all, good guesses!

[GalFisk]

Does she think he's using the word "literally" wrong? Does he say "I literally use the carrot and stick?"

[Bardificer]

GalFisk

Does she think he's using the word "literally" wrong? Does he say "I literally use the carrot and stick?" Exactly. Thank you for finishing this one off!

*******************************SPOILER

George says that he "literally has to use a carrot and a stick" to get his dog to do any tricks.
Kailey assumes he is using "literally" when he is in fact speaking figuratively, and rolls her eyes.
Jenna believes the "literally," and thinks he is withholding food from his dog and hitting it with a stick!

In reality, George's dog just likes chewing on both carrots and sticks, so he uses them as treats.