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by **Sarisberie** » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:49 pm

Jake is blind. His dad gives him a smartphone for his birthday, already set up to read the screen out loud. Often, when Jake receives a message, it makes him chuckle. Why?

by **JenBurdoo1** » Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:55 pm

Is it a specific message? A type of message? Are the words relevant? The format? A tune or chime? Is the message ironic?

by **Sarisberie** » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:39 pm

JenBurdoo1 wrote:Is it a specific message? no A type of message? Assume SMS or messenger Are the words relevant? Yope The format? A tune or chime? Is the message ironic? Yes

by **trebor2** » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:45 pm

Siri (or whatever voice) reading out emojis relevant? Funny mispronunciations?

by **Sarisberie** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:08 am

trebor2 wrote:Siri (or whatever voice) reading out emojis relevant? yes Funny mispronunciations? no

by **GalFisk** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:52 am

Is a specific emoji relevant? Would it be funny to a seeing person using a screen reader for whatever reason? Such as when driving? Or having a broken screen?

by **Sarisberie** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:19 am

GalFisk wrote:Is a specific emoji relevant? Yes Would it be funny to a seeing person using a screen reader for whatever reason? No or v. unlikely Such as when driving? Or having a broken screen?

by **GalFisk** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 9:59 pm

Does it show a face? A human? An emotion? An animal? Food? A man-made object? A symbol? Is it used to represent something other than what it's showing? Is the TTS describing it with one word? Two? More?

by **Sarisberie** » Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:29 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does it show a face? yes A human? An emotion? yes An animal? Food? A man-made object? A symbol? Is it used to represent something other than what it's showing? Is the TTS describing it with one word? Two? More? 5
... and no to the rest

by **Biograd1** » Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:57 am

Does the TTS "understand" the emotion represented by the emoji and try to describe that? Or does it interpret the characters used to form the emoji as a series of separate punctuation marks (like the smiley face as "colon dash close parentheses" for example)?

by **Sarisberie** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:45 am

Biograd1 wrote:Does the TTS "understand" the emotion represented by the emoji and try to describe that? This Or does it interpret the characters used to form the emoji as a series of separate punctuation marks (like the smiley face as "colon dash close parentheses" for example)?

by **GalFisk** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:59 pm

Has Jake ever been able to see? Relevant? Is the face happy? Sad? Angry? Sleepy? Neutral? Does the description include a color? Shape?

by **Sarisberie** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:37 pm

GalFisk wrote:Has Jake ever been able to see? no Relevant? assume yes Is the face happy? yes Sad? Angry? Sleepy? Neutral? Does the description include a color? Shape? no to these

by **trebor2** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:58 am

PMing a hunch.

by **Sarisberie** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:40 pm

trebor2 wrote:PMing a hunch.
OK, replied. Can you let me know if you can't see it? Probs with my inbox atmo.

by **GalFisk** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:21 pm

Does the description have no meaning to someone who has never seen? Less meaning? Is it misleading? Does it describe the mouth? The eyes?

by **Sarisberie** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:59 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does the description have no meaning to someone who has never seen? It does have meaning Less meaning? more meaning, if anything Is it misleading? no Does it describe the mouth? yes The eyes? yes

by **Sarisberie** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:01 pm

Sarisberie wrote:
trebor2 wrote:PMing a hunch.
OK, replied. Can you let me know if you can't see it? Probs with my inbox atmo.

... So yes, well done, you're right!

by **GalFisk** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:04 pm

Is it a regular smiling face? A wink? Do the words describe anything apart form the mouth and eyes? Does he chuckle because the description is funny in itself? Accurate? Inaccurate? Touching faces to "see" them as a blind person relevant?

by **Sundowner64** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:32 pm

Relevant who send the message? Did the sender want to make Jake chuckle? or is the sender, rather, careless and does not have an idea of how Jake reacts to these emojis?
Does the sender of the message know that Jake is blind?
Would Jake have the same reaction if he could see but not read? if he could see and read normal and just for convenience uses the screen reader?
Is the use of emojis just awkward for blind people, because a blind person would normally not roll the eyes, wink, and so on?

by **Sarisberie** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:23 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is it a regular smiling face? yes A wink? Do the words describe anything apart form the mouth and eyes? no Does he chuckle because the description is funny in itself? Yope Accurate? yes Inaccurate? Touching faces to "see" them as a blind person relevant? no

Sundowner64 wrote:Relevant who send the message? no, but likely someone Jake knows Did the sender want to make Jake chuckle? irrel or is the sender, rather, careless and does not have an idea of how Jake reacts to these emojis? irrel
Does the sender of the message know that Jake is blind? maybe, but irrel
Would Jake have the same reaction if he could see but not read? no if he could see and read normal and just for convenience uses the screen reader? no
Is the use of emojis just awkward for blind people, no because a blind person would normally not roll the eyes, wink, and so on? no, but explore

by **Biograd1** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:45 am

Is it obvious from hearing what the screen reader says that it is describing an emoji? Or does whatever phrase it inserts to describe the emoji simply sound like part of the text around it?

by **Sarisberie** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:46 pm

Biograd1 wrote:Is it obvious from hearing what the screen reader says that it is describing an emoji? yes Or does whatever phrase it inserts to describe the emoji simply sound like part of the text around it?

by **JenBurdoo1** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:49 pm

Does the spoken message refer specifically to eyes or anything else irrelevant to Jake? Does it instruct him to look somewhere, or to do something else he cannot do?

Would another blind person also find this amusing, or would they be frustrated? If the latter, is there anything else about Jake's circumstances we haven't learned?

by **Sarisberie** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:28 pm

JenBurdoo1 wrote:Does the spoken message refer specifically to eyes yes or anything else irrelevant to Jake? yes Does it instruct him to look somewhere, or to do something else he cannot do? no to these

Would another blind person also find this amusing, quite possibly or would they be frustrated? no If the latter, is there anything else about Jake's circumstances we haven't learned?

by **JenBurdoo1** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:22 pm

Does the message refer specifically to a part of the eye? To an action? A color?
Is a double entendre relevant?
Can the screen reader recognize emojis, or is it saying something like "colon, close-paren"?

by **Sarisberie** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:45 pm

JenBurdoo1 wrote:Does the message refer specifically to a part of the eye? To an action? A color?
Is a double entendre relevant?
Can the screen reader recognize emojis, yes or is it saying something like "colon, close-paren"? no to the rest

by **JenBurdoo1** » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:42 pm

Is the message a greeting? A warning? A joke? A reminder? Is the emoji happy? Sad? Angry? Does it appear on the screen as a series of symbols, or as a smiley-face graphic?

by **Sarisberie** » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:37 pm

JenBurdoo1 wrote:Is the message a greeting? A warning? A joke? A reminder? Is the emoji happy? yes Sad? Angry? Does it appear on the screen as a series of symbols, or as a smiley-face graphic? this

by **GalFisk** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:11 am

Relevant who sent the text? Does the sender know about the screen reader? About Jake's reaction? Is the emoji mouth smiling? Are the emoji eyes open? Closed? Squinting? Smiling? Winking? Rolling?

by **Sundowner64** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:53 pm

Relevant how exactly the screen reader reads out the emoji?
"smiling face"? "face with rolling eyes and big smiling mouth"? "big smile"?
Does the screen reader mention: eyes? mouth? face? parts of the face?

by **Sarisberie** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:25 pm

GalFisk wrote:Relevant who sent the text? Not particularly, assume someone Jake knows Does the sender know about the screen reader? irrel About Jake's reaction? Poss but irrel Is the emoji mouth smiling? Yes Are the emoji eyes open? Yes Closed? Squinting? Smiling? Winking? Rolling?

Sundowner64 wrote:Relevant how exactly the screen reader reads out the emoji? Yes
"smiling face"? yes "face with rolling eyes and big smiling mouth"? "big smile"? none of these
Does the screen reader mention: eyes? yes mouth? yes face? yes parts of the face?

by **JenBurdoo1** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:24 pm

Is the order in which the elements are spoken/described relevant? The voice of the "narrator?" Had the sender known of the irony, would they have sent it? Or might they have considered it potentially insulting? Is the rest of the message relevant? Was only the emoji sent? Does it modify some other statement (to mean "just kidding" or "sarcasm")?

by **Sarisberie** » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:12 pm

JenBurdoo1 wrote:Is the order in which the elements are spoken/described relevant? yes The voice of the "narrator?" no Had the sender known of the irony, would they have sent it? likely, but irr Or might they have considered it potentially insulting? unlikely, irr Is the rest of the message relevant? no Was only the emoji sent? poss Does it modify some other statement (to mean "just kidding" or "sarcasm")? no

by **Biograd1** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:17 am

Are the features of the face simply mentioned as being/appearing a certain way? or are actions attributed to them (like "the eyes are looking to the right")? ones that wouldn't be possible unless the eyes can see?

by **Sarisberie** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:35 pm

Biograd1 wrote:Are the features of the face simply mentioned as being/appearing a certain way? yes or are actions attributed to them yope (like "the eyes are looking to the right")? no ones that wouldn't be possible unless the eyes can see? no

by **JenBurdoo1** » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:33 pm

Is a specific feature relevant? Hair? Eyes? Nose? Mouth? Ears? Chin?

by **Sarisberie** » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:49 pm

JenBurdoo1 wrote:Is a specific feature relevant? Hair? Eyes? this is most relevant Nose? Mouth? this is also mentioned Ears? Chin?

by **Sundowner64** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:57 am

Is Jake blind since birth? so he has no idea how different expressions of the human face look like?

by **Sarisberie** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:57 pm

Sundowner64 wrote:Is Jake blind since birth? no so he has no idea how different expressions of the human face look like? he's aware of these

by **Sarisberie** » Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:27 pm

CORRECTION: -

GALFISK and SUNDOWNER64 asked whether Jake was blind since birth and in error I answered 'Yes' and 'No' respectively. Actually it doesn't matter whether he was or wasn't. Sorry!

by **GalFisk** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:09 am

Does the voice mention any color? Does it say that the eyes are open? Looking? Doing something? Looking like something? "Normal"?

by **Sarisberie** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:02 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does the voice mention any color? Does it say that the eyes are open? Looking? Doing something? Looking like something? "Normal"? THIS

****************************************************$POILER*****************

You can set smartphones to read out the screen, including texts and emojis, which is particularly useful for blind people. The phone reads the standard smiley as "Smiling face with normal eyes", which of course is ironic if you're blind.

The idea for this puzzle wasn't my own, much as I wish it were. It’s from Chris McCausland, on WILTY. See link to video, from 4:15 in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzOf0Li2xYg
& well done to everyone and especially to Galfisk for the conclusion.

by **GalFisk** » Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:32 pm

Haha, what a good story.