[Balin] Them's the brakes

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[Balin] Them's the brakes

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:58 pm

A car is traveling down a straight road at dusk when it begins to repeatedly decelerate and accelerate. Why?

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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby Sarisberie2 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:50 pm

Can we exclude problems with the car itself, mechanical or otherwise?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:56 pm

Can we exclude problems with the car itself, mechanical Yes or otherwise? Yope
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:56 pm

More specifically, it depends on how you define the word "problem."
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby Biograd1 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:36 pm

Is it being driven by a human driver? self-driving? Is it an actual, physical car in real life (as opposed to, e.g., a car in a movie or video game)?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby Sundowner64 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:59 am

Is the driver accelerating and decelerating the car? (as opposed to the car doing that automatically, without the driver's intervention)
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 pm

Is the road straight in both the left-and-right and the up-and-down direction?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:09 pm

Is it being driven by a human driver? self-driving? This
Is it an actual, physical car in real life (as opposed to, e.g., a car in a movie or video game)? It is indeed an actual physical car

Is the driver accelerating and decelerating the car? (as opposed to the car doing that automatically, without the driver's intervention) Yes and No, since (as discovered above) the car is self-driving

Is the road straight in both the left-and-right and the up-and-down direction? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby Sundowner64 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:15 pm

Relevant that this happens at dusk?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:43 pm

Does it periodically perceive that there's an obstacle?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:18 am

Relevant that this happens at dusk? Yes

Does it periodically perceive that there's an obstacle? I wouldn't say an "obstacle," No
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby Biograd1 » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:27 am

Does the self-driving AI have more difficulty detecting something (such as lane markings, road signs, etc.) under low light than under brighter light? so every time the car passes into a shadow, it slows down for safety reasons to make sure it can still detect stuff in enough time to avoid making errors?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby Sundowner64 » Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:07 am

Did the car have an adapted cruise control (which got distracted by infrared light from the setting sun)?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm

Does the self-driving AI have more difficulty detecting something (such as lane markings, road signs, etc.) under low light than under brighter light? No so every time the car passes into a shadow, it slows down for safety reasons to make sure it can still detect stuff in enough time to avoid making errors? No

Did the car have an adapted cruise control (which got distracted by infrared light from the setting sun)? No
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:39 pm

Is it perceiving something, making it slow down, which makes the perception go away somehow, making it speed up, and the cycle repeats?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby doriana_ » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:09 pm

Does the car mistake the sunset for a red light?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes (OAATP)

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:44 pm

Is it perceiving something, making it slow down, which makes the perception go away somehow, making it speed up, and the cycle repeats? Yes

Does the car mistake the sunset for a red light? Almost exactly.

****SPOILER****

The self-driving Tesla kept mistaking the moon for a yellow traffic light.
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

Postby Sarisberie2 » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:31 pm

I love this! POTY contender <3
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

Postby Biograd1 » Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:30 am

Did this actually happen, or is it just your imagination that it might?
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

Postby BalinTheDwarf » Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:03 pm

Biograd - I saw it as a video on Reddit. The link is the word "SPOILER" in the spoiler post.
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Re: [Balin] Them's the brakes

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:46 pm

Haha, reminds me of one I saw recently where a Tesla saw a train, and thought it was a series of trucks fused together.

I think if machines could somehow learn object permanence, it could do wonders for self-driving.
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